Composite Arf or Krill?????????

[JVDO]

Why not the new krill yak. It's the best from krill so far.

[Rabbit Ron]

I don't know about precision but for 3D the Krill would probably be the better choice the Comp Arf doesn't have a good roll rate at low speeds

[Jcarte]

I like my Krill

[pepatrick]

I guess everyone has their preferences...

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tired Old Man
	You can't make a Comp Arf Super Extra fall out of the sky at 40 pounds. Using a DA 150 provides more than enough power for anything with either plane. The question is whether or not spending the extra 400 Pounds will instantly make your flying 30% or more better. You know the answer to that better than anyone else. This isn't apples to apples in the comparison but I know that a 35% wood SD Katana flys better than a 35% Krill Katana for a thousand or more less...

[smokin]

i wonder how many of the people responding here actually have either of these planes... those are the opinions that matter. this isn't the type of deal where you want to pick the winning team based on the color of the uniforms! as i stated in my post... i do NOT have any krill products. i DO have a superxtra and really enjoy it! now i have seen the 35% krill flown by voodoo at the atl huckfest last year and i was VERY impressed. but as far as personal knowledge about their products, i have none! therefore i will not voice an opinion.

the super is great in precision and even better in 3d. i wanted a "close to perfect" imac plane so i had a dalton ml 300 42% built for me. this is not to say that the compy super wasn't "good enough", i just wanted the longer fuse for better tracking and better up and down line visibility for the judges. the super is still my favorite 3d bird... i am still very new to flying mine and i am thrilled to say that it is VERY forgiving!

hope this helps and good luck either way, you probably can't go wrong with either choice.
matt

[Mr.E]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tired Old Man
	This isn't apples to apples in the comparison but I know that a 35% wood SD Katana flys better than a 35% Krill Katana for a thousand or more less...

I disagree with you, I have the 33% Krill Katana and it kills the SD version. I have flown one and the person that had the SD flew my Krill. We both said the same thing, no comparison the price was worth it and the look is 100 times better imho the SD owner agreed hands down.

I say go for the Krill, then again I am biased because I have one. I will probably be getting the Krill Yak next because I have liked my Krill product so much..

[John Glezellis]

All in all, it is difficult to compare these two manufacturers as they both make great products. If you are looking for either a Katana and/or Yak 55, Krill is the only way to go. However, the only “tough” choice I would see where both manufacturer’s have “directly” competing products would be in F3A models (Krill has the Spark and C-ARF has the Integral).

I have been flying Krill 39% Katana S’ since 2006. Currently, I am finishing up a Yak 55M as well as a Spark F3A. The quality on all of these airplanes has been phenomenal, and I have been very pleased with my Katana’s performance with the new DA170 and KS1090 pipes.

At the 2002 TOC, I flew a Fiberclassics 3.0M Extra 330S. At the time, I loved that airplane. Since then, their quality has also improved.

Anyhow, I’ll try to get a few pictures of my Yak 55M (and Spark F3A if there is an interest for it) posted in the very near future.

Regards,
JPG

[BrImMa]

To tell you the truth I just recently asked myself this same question. I have had a Comp-arf extra, I currently have the Comp-arf yak, and just recently finished and started flying the Krill Katana. To be completely honest here I have found a few things. The Comp-arf quality seems to have a neck up on the Krill and the fact that they have more dealers in the US is a plus. On the other hand the Krill IN MY OPINION out flies the Comp-arf by a long shot. I have flown many different Comp-arf airplanes including the 2.3m Extra, 2.6m Yak, 3.3 Yak and 3.1m Super Extra. I like the way the Krill performs. I primarily do IMAC and have found the Katana to be crisper with snaps and the thin wing and sleek design helps it cut through the air well. Not sure about the Krill Yak yet I have never seen one in person or flown one. These are all of my findings but since Comp-arf doesn't make a Katana it is hard to compare the Krill to Composite-ARF when you are not comparing the same kind of airplane.

[Mithrandir]

In the USA.. it is funny that all the "Legends" of 3D/IMAC have all had a Krill... but none of'em kept the Krill... they moved on to something else. I think support for the Compy is better... from a spare parts stand point. One rather notable pilot I spoke to said the krill Kat had some rather peculiar rudder-elev coupling.. and it was a bit of a flexy flyer....
I have never flown a Krill myself... I have 230 flights on an SX.. I can't image a more docile plane then the SX and it 3D very well.... just don't expect fast right rollers.

[pepatrick]

Not Extras..but I will do a comparison of my 3.0 Comp Arf Yak and 150CC Krill Yak. I have about 35 flights on the Compy Yak and none yet on the Krill...so no flight comparisons. The Compy is easier to put together...compared to the Krill...
Notes on each:
Composite-Arf Yak 3.0 Meter
- aileron servos are a pain to work with -- needs a 28" long screw driver to get to the outer servo plate.
- all surface control horns are glued in at factory
- wing bags included at purchase (although they are cheap)
- Motor dome already installed with correct offset
- Thicker composite airframe (more durable but heavier)
- composite fuel tray and other fittings are light ply laminated on both sides with carbon fiber (extremely strong)
- Incredibly strong landing gear (much more so than other Composite-Arf planes) If you knock the gear block out of this plane...the plane is totaled and it would take one hell of a fubar landing to do that.
- Higher quality paint
- cheap hardware (turnbuckles and phenolic arms for servos)
- cheap clear canopy material but at least the canopy is mounted and hardware is glued in (except clear lens)
- heavy plane at 41 lbs..but it does not fly like a heavy plane
Krill Yak
- Servos are easier to mount (however servo hatch plates are not painted or covered to match the plane)
- surface control horns are not mounted at the factory
- Motor dome is not mounted (fairly easy to do and correct offset is built in)
- Thinner composite material (almost too thin...but seems to do well anyway...extremely light weight)
- Canister tunnels are not built..and no fuel tank tray..What carbon material comes with the plane is laminated one side..not as stout as the Compy..but certainly adequate.
- Landing gear is more flexible..and is bottom mounted..Looks very scale from 10 feet away..carbon wrapped wood...Extremely light..and appears to be very strong...gear block appears to be strong too.
- Paint finish not as good..but a little polish and wax...and WOW..comes out really nice.
- Not sure about the hardware..I don’t think it comes with any..I bought mine 2nd hand and it has titanium turn buckles...so..I am happy with that.
- While the canopy hardware is not mounted..the quality of the canopy lens is far superior to the Compy plane..it is also glued into the frame...Canopy lens is also painted to it looks more scale...Not that is a big deal...but the canopy on this plane sets it off..If the plane is going to be this ugly..and it is ugly...It has the best quality canopy of any Carden or Compy plane...

- Very light plane...With DA-150 on cans..it is going to come in somewhere around 36 pounds...maybe even less...This thing will be a power house...This Yak with the 150 on it should absolutely destroy the Compy Yak with a DA-170 in it...Yes..it is light..
Overview...
Both planes have impeccable fit and finish...In some areas the Compy is better and in some areas the Krill is better. Compy is build for sturdiness..the Krill is built to be light..and it is…Due to the thin airfoil on the Krill, I suspect it will fly a lot like an Extra…Even with the Yak cowl..it will be a fast plane..kind of like a QQ Yak..but faster..I look forward to getting the Krill in the air and comparing the 2 side by side. I suspect the Krill will fill my 3D needs…Just setting up the servos on ailerons..I am getting much better throws on the Krill than the Compy…
Compy Yak for IMAC
Krill Yak back up plane and 3d monster…

One of the Johns from J&J tail wheels has just finished building a 3.0 Yak and Krill Yak for the himself and the other John from J&J...He will probably have some good comments about the two as well...

[smokin]

pep...

great post. extremely informative and subjective!

[flying skunks]

I have flown both the Krill and the Comp ARF Yak 55's , I like the feel of the Krill over the Comp Arf, may have been the setup's but liked the Krill.I have also flown the Krill 33% Katana and watched VooDoo fly the poop out of it and all I can say is that is a plane that can take anything that you can throw at it. my $.02

[xtra330]

I, for one really like the Katana. My 3D skills arent like most, but I use mine mostly for presicion. When taken the proper time to set a plane up, you will be rewarded. I dont think the Katana 'searches' for a line, I think it tracks pretty dang good. I have been flying the Katana's for about 1.5 years, my next venture is going to be the Krill Yak.

I dont think you can go wrong with either company....both planes fly fantastic. I say get the plane that you like the looks of the most and make the plane perform to your liking.

[andywynn]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JVDO
	Why not the new krill yak. It's the best from krill so far.

I honestly prefere the look of the Katana, each to there own. Not wishingto dis the Yak but i did prefere the look of the old Yak 54. I think its the bubble canopy.

Andy

[pepatrick]

I agree the...Krill Yak 55 is a seriously ugly plane...but it grows on you very quickly..I used the example in another thread...Its like that girl in high school..you know..the ugly one that had a great body and personality...You knew she would be a lot of fun if you ever had the chance to ...ehemm..well you know...The Krill Yak is the same way..it ugly..but it just has this thing about it that makes it very cool...

	Quote: Originally Posted by andywynn
	I honestly prefere the look of the Katana, each to there own. Not wishingto dis the Yak but i did prefere the look of the old Yak 54. I think its the bubble canopy. Andy