QQ or AW

[Sukhoikid]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	QQ Aircraft, as a company, is an awesome company, but I am sorry to say that EVERY 120" Yak I have seen looks like ABSOLUTE CRAP!!! The build and finish quality is substandard, in general, and looks like it was built by a one-armed monkey when you put it next to an Aeroworks. And what's up with the cowl???? There are like 20+ screws that need to come off to remove it, and getting them all aligned when reinstalling it takes some finesse - and once installed, looks bulky with two rows of screws running down both sides of the cowl. One of the turtle decks that I saw was so wavy and distorted, it looked like how monokote looks over a ribbed wing with no sheeting. The stab fit was loose as well. Yes, the plane flies well, but by no means well enough to make you forget that the quality is crap. Add to that the fact that you still have to do the hinging and other 'old-school' ARF stuff, and your choice becomes pretty clear, IMO - the Aeroworks blows it away in every aspect. They are both about the same weight with the same equipment, so that factor is out the door, too, except QQ aircraft is FAR more accurate in their advertised weight. There is no way to finish out a QB Yak at 40 pounds or less if built with the recommended standard equipment and number of servos - expect 40.5-43.5 depending on exhaust choice and number of servos used, not 38-40 as advertised.

thanks for your opinion on the two. My 102" QQ is a great flying plane but I have found some things wrong with the plane. I have had chipped landing gear and the cowl is chipping. There is a light film of covering that comes off the main covering. I am leaning towards a Aero-Works right now.

[Extra260]

	Quote: Originally Posted by rc4flying
	How can you say this about a build of the QQ 120 ? I built one and was surprised how fast I got it built. As for flying IMAC, the QQ is darn good at it. Can't judge the AW as I have never owned one. As for power with a 150 on Greeves for the QQ, you would not be disappointed in the performance. Mine was unlimited vertical at 1200' above sea level.

I can say this because I have looked over both manuals at how the planes have come and yes I can say that aeroworks will build LOADS faster. It comes hinged canpopy perfectly mounted cowl screws in place etc. You have to fibre glass the canopy of the qq on you have to go through all the stuff to mount the cowl etc. Shoot to get the cowl off on the aerworks you remove six screws and slide!!! No I cant go any further because I have not had any personal experience with one but I can say that kevin I think you would be super happy with the aeroworks. I to wanted the qq bad before and then I ended up with the aw and now I wont even look back at the others.

[crhammond]

I have owned a 75cc AW QB Yak and a QQ Python. I have also seen many of the AW 260's and Yak in various sizes as well as the QQ Yaks.

My 75cc "QB" Yak took as long to build as my QQ Python. Maybe there is something wrong with me? But it took a LONG time. The Python went together in about the same 20 hrs.

Now the QQ Yaks of older generations did take a LOT of work to assemble.

The AW quality is very, very good. About the only thing I didn't like was how heavy the glass was they used on the Canopy as it tends to crack over time.

The QQ Python is really nice also - as good as any Aeroworks. But you do have to supply some hardware and you do have to hinge it. Personally I like the split cowl.

My Aeroworks was far heavier than specified. I ended up using light weight parts and it was noticable how much better it handled. In the larger sizes it may not be an issue. It flew fantastic at 23lbs and had no coupling at all - it was no so great at 25lbs.

The Pyhton was a little less than the weight advestised (27lbs on pipes and a DA100.) This plane also flew great - really really great (it was lost due to a mechanical 3 weeks ago - but I ordered a replacement right away it is so good. Mecahnical was 100% my fault...) It has very little coupling for a bipe and is so smooth in the air.

The QQ yaks I have flown were just like the AW but they felt a little more responsive to me. Both are very locked in for sure and have no coupling.

The AW hardware is first rate for the most part. The AW has some other nice features like the pre-done cooling cutouts, baffles etc. But they cost a LOT more than a QQ so you are paying for that extra work. The covering on the older QQ Yaks was not great - all the new stuff I have seen is really good. AW is good too.

QQ service is the best bar none. As is the spare parts support etc. AW is hit and miss.

If the latest generation QQ Yaks are the same quality as the Python I would go with one of them. If I could get an AW at my LHS or ship the QQ 120" I would still ship the QQ. The service I have got from them has been awesome and I know the plane will fly a lot better than I do LOL.

[twostroke]

Kevin,
You know the quality and construction of the 102" QQ YAK as well as its awesome flight characteristics. Well you can only imagine the even greater benefits of these same characteristics you will get in the 120" version. This is by far the best 120" size YAK arf out there and its design by a world champion. I can assure you that you will never get even close to the same customer service anywhere as you will with QQ Aircraft Company. QQ will stand behind his product all the way! He will also sell you exactly the parts you need without having to buy a "package" of a bunch of stuff you don't need just to get the part you do need. I am sure the guys that have an AW like them but you'll LOVE a QQ Aircraft airframe. By far the best available and for the most reasonable price out there. Good luck on your choice and let us know how everything goes with your new plane! I vote QQ 120"!

Regards,

Tom

PS We just finished one of QQ's YAKS this week and from start to finish was 2 1/2 days working about 8 hours each day on it. Not bad if you ask me.

[Walt]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Sukhoikid
	let me just order a dalton kit rj and then we can have some fun. a dalton built in two weeks!!! lol. or lets say one week! thanks for the help. i been looking at builds of both airplanes. I know my 102" qq took me just a week to build and I just worked on the plane at night.

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[Bobalew]

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[Huckeneer]

quique's stuff is pretty high quality for what I have seen. I have the 102, the 86, and the 73. They are all amazing planes.

Jamie

[3D-Seth]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	QQ Aircraft, as a company, is an awesome company, but I am sorry to say that EVERY 120" Yak I have seen looks like ABSOLUTE CRAP!!! The build and finish quality is substandard, in general, and looks like it was built by a one-armed monkey when you put it next to an Aeroworks. And what's up with the cowl???? There are like 20+ screws that need to come off to remove it, and getting them all aligned when reinstalling it takes some finesse - and once installed, looks bulky with two rows of screws running down both sides of the cowl. One of the turtle decks that I saw was so wavy and distorted, it looked like how monokote looks over a ribbed wing with no sheeting. The stab fit was loose as well. Yes, the plane flies well, but by no means well enough to make you forget that the quality is crap. Add to that the fact that you still have to do the hinging and other 'old-school' ARF stuff, and your choice becomes pretty clear, IMO - the Aeroworks blows it away in every aspect. They are both about the same weight with the same equipment, so that factor is out the door, too, except QQ aircraft is FAR more accurate in their advertised weight. There is no way to finish out a QB Yak at 40 pounds or less if built with the recommended standard equipment and number of servos - expect 40.5-43.5 depending on exhaust choice and number of servos used, not 38-40 as advertised.

Every plane I have gotten from QQ has been top notch quality. Best built ARFs I have seen. Yes, the covering needs touched on at the beginning, but doesnt any ARF? QQ posts what the weights will be, not less than what they will be like other manufacturers. Yea, there is more screws to take off, but wouldnt you like knowing that your cowl is on and secure? There is no doubt in my mind that QQs cowls will stay on. One turtle deck you saw was messed up a little bit. Not all of them am I correct? Any plane I have gotten from QQ has never had a messed up turtle deck. I've had the QQ 102" Yak, QQ 73" Yak, and the QQ Python. DA 150 on pipes, no problem. Reza has one with a 150 out west at the higher altitude without any power problems at all. QQs stuff is the best hands down, and heck, its designed by the Godfather himself, a world champion, Quique Somenzini. Can Aeroworks say that they have that kind of designer? Not to mention QQs is 200 bucks less...

Seth

[luv2flyguy]

We all have different opinions here I see. One says the AW is better and another says the QQ is better,and everyone is entitled to theirs. I think that there is a lot of biased people here and loyality to a certain person or company takes over instead of just looking at the over all quality of the product itself. I can honestly say that I have seen both the QQ and the AW planes side by side and as far a the quality goes the AW is by far the best, when you get the QB planes you don't have to run out your LHS and purchase a great deal of extra hardware, everything and I mean everything is included with the plane and you will not be throwing it away because 100% of it is used on the plane and best of all it's all included in the price of the plane. I'm not saying that the QQ planes are bad they are good looking planes but if one is honest and will take a close look and judge just the product you will see what I'm talking about. And as for customer service I know that QQ has built there reputation on it but honestly AW is that far behind, the AW planes sell themselves, they don't get a lot of hupla here on FG seems like but if you ask someone who has flown on they will tell you that they are some of the best flying machines out there. Go read what Bill Hempel said about the AW on there website, a world class pilot who has his own line giving praises to the QB planes. Hey just my 2 cents oh BTW I would buy the AW.

[50%plane]

The Aeroworks scheme is gay.


my .02 worth...

Chris

[octanehuffer]

I picked up a QQ 120" Yak in the ARC version. The plane is PERFECT in EVERY aspect. Every glue joint, piece of wood, carbon, fiberglass and plastic is perfect. The fit and finish is amazing!!!

[bodywerks]

	Quote:
	The AW has some other nice features like the pre-done cooling cutouts, baffles etc. But they cost a LOT more than a QQ so you are paying for that extra work.

You may be right when comparing your planes, but between the two 40% Yaks, the Aeroworks is only $100 more, which is nothing for the better quality and level of completion.