SE Regional Championships What do you think

[jtsails]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Plane Wrappers
	OK,..my $.02, The Southeast "Championships" should be exactly that. The Championships! Reserved for the 10 highest scoring pilots from there 6 best finishes to determine the most accomplished pilot in there respective class. I know IMAC is all about fun and fellowship, but really now........it is also a competition to find the best pilots out there. I for one focus on the Championships all season long,....I know If I don't finish well in the "Open" contest,....I am jeopardising my spot in the "Championships" Its true some people don't get to as many contest as others, but that is where dedication to this sport comes into play. The pilots in the Regional need to have earned there way there by showing there dedication to IMAC and consistently flying and finishing well in contest throughout the season. The Regionals is the Last Mac Daddy, 3 Day, contest of the Season and should be reserved for the pilots who have paid there dues all season long and earned the right to be there.

I thought that the season points chase was the reward for participation and dedication. Shouldn't the regional championship be about finding the best pilot, not the most dedicated traveler.
james

[Plane Wrappers]

	Quote: Originally Posted by jtsails
	I thought that the season points chase was the reward for participation and dedication. Shouldn't the regional championship be about finding the best pilot, not the most dedicated traveler. james

There are TWO awards ( plaques ) given at the awards ceremony at the regional.
1) The points challenge
2) The winner of the Regional Championship contest.
Dedication is just PART of you need to have to win either. Its not the ONLY thing.
This thread is going down hill fast.
Don, where did you go???

[Neil4]

I think that the contest should be an open contest and i will try and explain why. I am 14 and I live in the NE region as I talked about earlier in the thread. I can only make about 4 to 5 contests in a season since my Dad has to take me to all the contests since I can't drive on top of the fact that my Dad has to work and spend time with the rest of the family as well. So with only making 5 contests I will most likely not make the regionals because I won't have enough points racked up. But having been to the NATS and coming in 4th out of 16, I think I am capable of competing with the top 10 pilots in the region even though my amount of points throughout the season may not show that.

Sorry for the long post,

Neil

[McFueler]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Plane Wrappers
	There are TWO awards ( plaques ) given at the awards ceremony at the regional. 1) The points challenge 2) The winner of the Regional Championship contest. Dedication is just PART of you need to have to win either. Its not the ONLY thing. This thread is going down hill fast. Don, where did you go???

I may be wrong ,,,, BUT this year is not the same as in the past because the regional championship contest will count at 150% towards the regional points challenge winner , that is what has everybody talking , and yes Tony is right and Prizzy is right also , they did not give everybody points that went towards the year end total but there was a tie breaker bonus points thing for how many pilots you beat at a contest so having more pilots in a contest has always helped when you ended up with a tie for the points chimpionship .

[Birdman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Neil4
	I think that the contest should be an open contest and i will try and explain why. I am 14 and I live in the NE region as I talked about earlier in the thread. I can only make about 4 to 5 contests in a season since my Dad has to take me to all the contests since I can't drive on top of the fact that my Dad has to work and spend time with the rest of the family as well. So with only making 5 contests I will most likely not make the regionals because I won't have enough points racked up. But having been to the NATS and coming in 4th out of 16, I think I am capable of competing with the top 10 pilots in the region even though my amount of points throughout the season may not show that. Sorry for the long post, Neil

Neil......to Monty's point if you attended 5 contests and were competitive in them it is very possible you would make the 10 pilot "cut" to attend regionals.

[McFueler]

If you go to the IMAC web site the totals are still up for the regional points challenge and you can see that Joe and David both had 4000 and that was the total points (no bonus points) but we had a winner and that came from the bonus point system . This is the 1st year we added the bonus points in as we went . Kind of the same but not if you know what I mean . And like I said before I'm all for the more contest thing ,,,,,,, it is the only way I'll ever have a shot at winning Unlimited points race ! All I have to do is travel more ,,,,,,,, don't matter if I'm last at every contest as long as I get more contest then anybody else !

[prizzy]

	Quote: Originally Posted by McFueler
	I may be wrong ,,,, BUT this year is not the same as in the past because the regional championship contest will count at 150% towards the regional points challenge winner , that is what has everybody talking , and yes Tony is right and Prizzy is right also , they did not give everybody points that went towards the year end total but there was a tie breaker bonus points thing for how many pilots you beat at a contest so having more pilots in a contest has always helped when you ended up with a tie for the points chimpionship .

That's what I thought. Tony got on me, when we were speaking to two different things. Tony, it's ok, you can still call for me at TT.


If I can fly your plane.

[McFueler]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Birdman
	Neil......to Monty's point if you attended 5 contests and were competitive in them it is very possible you would make the 10 pilot "cut" to attend regionals.

Not if you are in a class that has 10 pilots that have all hit 6 contest ,,,,,,,, even if you won all 5 you would only have 5000 + bonus points and someone with 6 contest that finished last at every one of them would beat you out as long as they got at least 850 at each of those contest they would have 5100 + bonus points ,,,,, so the best pilots will not be at the regionals unless they make 6 contest . That is what has everybody talking here .

[ifly3d]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Neil4
	I think that the contest should be an open contest and i will try and explain why. I am 14 and I live in the NE region as I talked about earlier in the thread. I can only make about 4 to 5 contests in a season since my Dad has to take me to all the contests since I can't drive on top of the fact that my Dad has to work and spend time with the rest of the family as well. So with only making 5 contests I will most likely not make the regionals because I won't have enough points racked up. But having been to the NATS and coming in 4th out of 16, I think I am capable of competing with the top 10 pilots in the region even though my amount of points throughout the season may not show that. Sorry for the long post, Neil

Neil, I dont think when we are talking about being open we are talking open to non southeast pilots. I think they mean open to all pilots in the southeast.

Josh

[Birdman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by McFueler
	Not if you are in a class that has 10 pilots that have all hit 6 contest ,,,,,,,, even if you won all 5 you would only have 5000 + bonus points and someone with 6 contest that finished last at every one of them would beat you out as long as they got at least 850 at each of those contest they would have 5100 + bonus points ,,,,, so the best pilots will not be at the regionals unless they make 6 contest . That is what has everybody talking here .

You're absolutely correct...in theory. But in reality how many times in the past have we had anywhere near 10 pilots in a class with 6 or more contests in a season? That would be a great IMAC problem to have! And if I was a pilot with 5 wins (5K points) I think I'd find a way to make a 6th contest so it at least becomes a tie breaker situation which I could do with as little as a 100 points from that 6th contest under your scenario.

Mike

[McFueler]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Birdman
	You're absolutely correct...in theory. But in reality how many times in the past have we had anywhere near 10 pilots in a class with 6 or more contests in a season? That would be a great IMAC problem to have! And if I was a pilot with 5 wins (5K points) I think I'd find a way to make a 6th contest so it at least becomes a tie breaker situation which I could do with as little as a 100 points from that 6th contest under your scenario. Mike

You have a good point but some guys just can not make 6 contest no matter how bad they want to . It used to be the best 4 contest and the best pilots were always on top , now with the best 6 contest we can go to the regionals and the guy with 4 or 5 wins will most likely not have a snowballs chance in h#ll at being the regional points challenge winner . Even if he is the best pilot . Just don't think that is right ,,,,,,, but don't get me wrong this new rule has had me in 1st place most of the year in Unlimited and I'm still in 2nd so make it your best 100 contest ,,,,,, I'm all for it !

[ifly3d]

[jongurley]

My big issue is I just think it should be open to all southeast region pilots,

[Birdman]

It used to be the best 4 contest and the best pilots were always on top , now with the best 6 contest we can go to the regionals and the guy with 4 or 5 wins will most likely not have a snowballs chance in h#ll at being the regional points challenge winner .

......not as good a chance of being "regional points challenger winner" perhaps but he / she will have earned a place at the (closed) regional championship and have an equal shot at Regional Champion. As I said in my earlier post, I see two seperate recognitions at season's end. Regional Champion (winner of regional championship) and Regional Points Winner (most total points in the season). Which "title" a pilot chooses to pursue is his / her choice driven, at least partially, on the number of contest they are able to participate in.

At the end of the day it's all a hoot and we ain't splitt'n no atoms here. I try and view every contest as a challenge to improve my precision flying. I have done that better at contests where I've finished in the middle of the pack than at some contests I have won. Go figure.

[pcastine]

ok, let's put together a poll, like Don wanted. Poll should be open to SE pilots only, as they would be the ones competing in it (sorry Neil). What are the poll choices?

1) Keep the current system as is, no changes.
2) Keep the Regional Championship open to only the top 10 SE pilots, but change the point system.
3) Open up the Regional Championship to any SE pilot that wants to attend.

Any other options for this poll or edits to these options? Pride, you neo-nazi conservative computer guru, wanna get this started after we define the poll questions?

Pete