Would I be disappointed in a QQ Yak

[luv2flyguy]

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[Show871]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sensei
	Let me get this right, you pick one arf over another because it is heavier; so it must be stronger. I fly with two good buddies; one owns a 35% QQ Yak and the other a 35% Aeroworks Yak. Both aircraft have been flown hard for several hubdred flights and been very good airplanes. I have made several repaires on both airplanes; mostly nocked out gears, and ripped off rudders. On the heavier of the two; I have made primary structure repares that was just short of complete failure in flight. Believe it or not; the heavier airframe will see higher loads in just about every thing you do. this fact alone causes more fatigue on the airframe overall...Bob

I hear ya, From what I saw the AW just seamed a bit more solid in the build. Like I said The QQ I saw had hatch fitment issues, and cracks in the cowl, nothing major but stuff that made me skeptical. I just want a plane that is going to last that is what I ment, and the AW I own and the ones I have seen look blem free and hold up over time. 871

[smokin]

qq actually flies his own planes in competition! most of the other guys that have companies are flying daltons or cardens or what have you.. there is something to say for this. they are just designed right!

[Reza]

You are so RIGHT! This is such a true statement about him.
He actually won the F3A world championship with his own designed bi-plane. First bi-plane that ever won a world championship. He really knows about designing airplanes but I can't say these things

	Quote: Originally Posted by smokin
	qq actually flies his own planes in competition! most of the other guys that have companies are flying daltons or cardens or what have you.. there is something to say for this. they are just designed right!

[madmax]

Thread title changed. I have a gen 3 QQ 102 with about 5 flights on it, and a python. You'll love it. I can't speak on the AW, never owned one.

[dubd]

luve2fly, No one here is going to know if you'll be dissatisfied with a QQ plane. We do not know your flying style, how good of a pilot you are, or how good of a builder you are, etc. QQ makes top quality planes, so the rest is purely subjective. You can do some searches on many of the manufacturers and find out what the issues are, if any. Ultimately all of the ARFs on the market fly similar and are built similar. Unless you're flying IMAC in the Advance or Unlimited category you will not notice a difference in how these planes fly, so just get the one with the coolest scheme.

BTW - I've owned a few planes from AW and QQ and I've had slight issues with a a couple of the planes. In the end both companies sent me replacement parts without a hassle and their customer service was top notch. Because of that I will continue to buy from both of them.

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by luv2flyguy
	Hey guys- I have been flying Aeroworks planes here for a while, I am looking at buying another but for some reason I have been thinking about the 102" QQ Yak, is this plane as good as it's advertisedor would I be disappointed? My AW is a great plane and flies like I want it to, I'm moving up to the 100cc class I thought I might want to try something different, no one close to me has one of these planes or I would go and look at it, one concern, is the quality as good as the AW, I'm use to the qb series and I know it will take longer to get it together than the QB series but will it last a good while of just basic flying, I'm not a 3Der not yet anyway. Thanks for all the help here on FG, this is a great family to be hooked up with.

You might be a bit dissapointed as far as quality is concerned if you are used to Aeroworks, but the qq yak does fly well and is backed by excellent customer service.

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by luv2flyguy
	Which AW did you order? I feel the same about the build quality and I know that the AW will weigh a little more...

Not so sure that's true anymore. As the generation number of the qq yak has gone up so has its weight. Stock builds are typically over 27 pounds. I'd say that if yo went with the cf parts on the aeroworks (260, not the yak) they'd be about the same weight. The qb yak is a 28+ pound plane unless you get really creative about equipment selection and bust out your dremel.

[dubd]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	You'll be dissapointed most definitely as far as quality is concerned if you are used to Aeroworks, but the yak does fly well and is backed by excellent customer service.

Did you happen to get a lemon? I've seen the newer gen Yaks from QQ and I own a Python and the quality is awesome, even when compared to my 35% AW 260.

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by smokin
	never in a million years would i thought i would've seen a thread that put the AW yak over the QQ in quality! hey, to each his own but i am certain that there is less mixing and coupling issues with the QQ. both will be great but wow, i thought the QQ would win this debate hands down. just my $.02

Have you owned an aeroworks plane, personally? Just the cowl and canopy/hatch alone are no comparison - simply undebatable that the aeroworks wins there. Ask anyone who has had their qq for a year how their cowl is holding up or how much their hatch has bowed or deformed in the sun. Then ask the same of an aeroworks owner.
Granted, build/finish quality isn't everything, though. And if I were in The market for a 100cc yak, I don't even think the aeroworks would even be on my list, and the qq would be at the top of it. But I am only interested in all out flight perfomance on a 100cc plane - how it looks on the ground doesn't mean much to me

[Flatlandman]

So far 25 flights on my 102" gen 4 yak it flys awesome but I havent got the 2 years on it yet so its not a good base but my buddy ( Meanrudder ) who has been learning to fly better that just hasnt till just lately been able to fly long periods of time with out incident, has a gen 2 102" yak and he has beat the @#%$ out of it and it's still in excellent shape. That plane is more than 2 years old and that plane is one of the major reasons i went with the QQ yak at the end of this summer. From his planes life experiences I can safely say that the QQ 102"/101" planes are easily a long term airframes.

[Flatlandman]

I have owned Aeroworks planes and their weight doesn't come in the form or better construction rather in forms or canopies that are way way to heavy and cowls that also weigh ridiculously to much etc etc. I have had some good experiences with their customer service though they have taken good care of me in regards to their plane.

[3D Meatshield]

I can't speak for the 100-inch class Yak, but I have the 86" and it is by far the nicest arf I've ever bought. bear in mind I haven't built too many, and it's my first giant scale to boot, but I am more than pleased enough with it that the next giant I buy will also be a QQ. It wasn't perfect out-of-the-box either, had a couple of small issues that have been rectified by Wayne with one email, less than 24 hours later- you just can't beat that kind of customer service!

Now, if I can just find a way to shoehorn a G62 in the front without having to chop off half the engine box...

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dubd
	Did you happen to get a lemon? I've seen the newer gen Yaks from QQ and I own a Python and the quality is awesome, even when compared to my 35% AW 260.

Mine was definitely very bad, but of the dozens of others I have seen up close, only two of them were above average quality, although still not Aeroworks quality.

[bodywerks]

You have to understand that quality level is a subjective thing. My idea of a good quality ARF is different from anyone else's - same goes for all of you. I will never compare a chinese ARF to a BBW custom airframe, but I do have certain expectations, and Aeroworks is definitely not without its flaws, like rarely finishing out in the weight range that they claim, and paint that softens up if you put rubbing alcohol on it, and they have surely had their share of lemons.
You can show me all the pics you want of how great the quality of your plane is but it won't help. Pictures don't do quality level determination any justice whatsoever. You have to be able to see it close up, in different light, see the same plane several months later and then compare it to other planes side by side.
The QQ Yak gets the job done, though, and if you just want something that flies great and looks decent in the air then the QQ line is right up there with any other manufacturer.