Our future....????

[smokin]

i'll have to agree kris!

[50%plane]

nice vid Craven!

Anyone have an AR 15 they wanna sell??

[KrisW]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 50%plane
	nice vid Craven! Anyone have an AR 15 they wanna sell??

keep it short. . subsonic. . large caliber. . LOUD, and quickly reloadable

Standard 1911 .45 ACP is all you need

[KrisW]

BTW. . .just hears this one. .

Know who Bill Ayers is? Think Timothy McVeigh, but he got away with it. . same personna. . same tactics .. same reasoning.

And Barak Obama is buddies with him.

[sweetpea]

Its ok according to Obama today.

His response to being friends with Ayers........."I was only 8 when the bombings happened. "

So why did you still associate with him later in life? "He is reformed"


Really? In 2001 he said he hadn't done enough in the bombings and would do it again. So now he all of a sudden reformed?


That is like saying.....I was only 27 during 9/11.....its ok to be associates with Bin Linden now because I wasn't his friend on 9/11

Why do people believe this about his numerous relationships with outlandish characters?

If it was just one thing I'd let it go........but the list keeps growing.

Wright/Ayers/Fannie/Freddie/Acorn.......whats next? And will we find out before the election is over?

[MeanGene]

i think acorn once is fully understood will be the thing that sinks obamas campaign.

[Unbalanced]

	Quote: Originally Posted by MeanGene
	i think acorn once is fully understood will be the thing that sinks obamas campaign.

I guess the fact that he's a socialist, in-experienced, racist, liar, and a crooked thief isn't enough.....

[KrisW]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea
	Its ok according to Obama today. His response to being friends with Ayers........."I was only 8 when the bombings happened. " So why did you still associate with him later in life? "He is reformed" Really? In 2001 he said he hadn't done enough in the bombings and would do it again. So now he all of a sudden reformed? That is like saying.....I was only 27 during 9/11.....its ok to be associates with Bin Linden now because I wasn't his friend on 9/11 Why do people believe this about his numerous relationships with outlandish characters? If it was just one thing I'd let it go........but the list keeps growing. Wright/Ayers/Fannie/Freddie/Acorn.......whats next? And will we find out before the election is over?

Ahem. . .Birth Certificate.

A Democrat Official in Illinois has sued Obama to provide his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate to ensure he was actually Naturally Born, within the borders of the US. He has a copy of a Birth Record, which says he was born in Hawaii, but no CERTIFICATE of Birth, listing both parents, location, and time of birth, and signed by the Doctor who did the delivery or a public official, and certainly not notarized.

In other words, can Obama even be President under the Constitution?

According to a number of reputable sources, Obama was actually born in KENYA. Heck, he may not even be a US Citizen ! !

YouTube - Unsolved Mystery; Obama's Birth...

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[KrisW]

And another video with some disturbing evidence:

YouTube - Obama Natural Born II Update

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[dubd]

How is a "interweb" video evidence!? LMAO McCain has been "palling" around with members of the KKK. Do I think McCain is a terrorist because of that? No.

[FENWAYFLYER]

	Quote: Originally Posted by KrisW
	keep it short. . subsonic. . large caliber. . LOUD, and quickly reloadable Standard 1911 .45 ACP is all you need

I have a Kimber 300 WSM with a Swarovski 10x42 scope that is good for 750 yards.

[reyn3545]

	Quote: Originally Posted by FENWAYFLYER
	I have a Kimber 300 WSM with a Swarovski 10x42 scope that is good for 750 yards.

I had a .45 ACP years ago ... not very accurate more than 2 feet away, but it would scare the ****e out of anything it came near!

[KrisW]

	Quote: Originally Posted by FENWAYFLYER
	I have a Kimber 300 WSM with a Swarovski 10x42 scope that is good for 750 yards.

Doesn't do much good inside a house, at night, or in 95% of firefights.

The Match grade M-14 is good for 600 meters (about 660 yards) with no scope, and out to 1000+ with the standard Gov. issue scope. WW1 issue M-1 Garand is good out to 1200+ with the right scope, and 600+ with iron sights for the average Marine Corps rifleman of that time. None of them are worth a hoot inside a house, with your children or wife in the next room.

Reyn, at 50 feet a tight 1911 will hold a 2-4" grouping, about as good as any other automatic you can find. You need to lighten up the trigger a little, and polish the mechanism, for better and smoother trigger feel, though. It's a bit notchy, which leads to inaccuracy. Combat sights really help, too.

[reyn3545]

As to the subject of being a Natural or Nationalized Citizen, no one in the Senate would take up that issue this late in the game.

What the heck, I would bet a new prop that the banking system will be largely nationalized before the election anyway. Oh, they call it "government investment" in the banking and finance industry, but from where I sit, it looks like the first steps toward socialism... control the flow of money. With that in hand, everything else will follow, all in the name of protecting the idiots who don't have enough sense to take care of themselves.

[reyn3545]

	Quote: Originally Posted by KrisW
	Doesn't do much good inside a house, at night, or in 95% of firefights. The Match grade M-14 is good for 600 meters (about 660 yards) with no scope, and out to 1000+ with the standard Gov. issue scope. WW1 issue M-1 Garand is good out to 1200+ with the right scope, and 600+ with iron sights for the average Marine Corps rifleman of that time. None of them are worth a hoot inside a house, with your children or wife in the next room. Reyn, at 50 feet a tight 1911 will hold a 2-4" grouping, about as good as any other automatic you can find. You need to lighten up the trigger a little, and polish the mechanism, for better and smoother trigger feel, though. It's a bit notchy, which leads to inaccuracy. Combat sights really help, too.

No doubt... that 1911 was a P.O.S. I bought it very used, only kept it for about a year. About every 5th or 6th shot, it would kick the shell out and hit you right between the eyes! I took it to a gunsmith to get the ramps polished, and he told me to just sell it and forget about it... good advise! I made $20 off of it, probably the only think I've ever made a dime on.

Today, if anyone decides they want to see the inside of my house without an invitation, my weapon of choice is grandfather's original Belgian Browning 12-guage Automatic. #1 Buckshot. Keep it handy, but keep it safe.