Our future....????

[dunny]

	Quote: Originally Posted by KrisW
	Soo. . let me get this straight. . you would rather get a couple of yo-yo's into the Oval office who would socialize and emaxculate the United States . .than a couple of Mavericks who are going to challenge the Elitist power structure and will go against the grain of the "Old boys network" to set this country on a different course AWAY from Libralism, COmmunism, Socialism, and Oil dependency? If you want CHANGE. . you do not do it with Washington insiders or Liberals. Wango . .yeah, the ZERO chant was very cool.

If that's what you want to believe- it is a fact that we are worse off now than we were 8 years ago and to think we can continue on the same path is foolish- I know, I know, the repub. ticket is saying they are different, but their times up and time to move off the repub. ideals. I hope some day we can step outside the left and the right and find some common ground with someone that is in between that everyone can agree on- always so polarizing talking about politics- everyone thinks they are right and the other person is wrong.

[King]

I have SOOOOOOOO much to say, but its just NOT worth it

[WangoTango]

[quote=dunny;559674 I hope some day we can step outside the left and the right and find some common ground with someone that is in between that everyone can agree on- always so polarizing talking about politics- everyone thinks they are right and the other person is wrong.[/quote]

Dunny,
They might be listed as Republicans but I think you just hit on something............. McCain/Palin looks pretty "in the middle" of left and right. Obama can talk but he can't lead. The only people willing to follow this wannabe will be the ones with the glazed-over look on their faces. The problem with all that glaze? You can't see what's right for this Country and what Obama stands for is change that will benefit him. The by-product of that: This Country goes to the dogs. After last night, I'll go along with the dogs under one condition........... A maverick and his lip-sticked pit bull gets to lead the way! LOL!
WT

[WangoTango]

	Quote: Originally Posted by King
	I have SOOOOOOOO much to say, but its just NOT worth it

John,
That's what this is all about! We want to know what YOU think whether its different from what we think or not. This forum would have been shut down at page one in the old days...... The majority of Americans have been aching to have their voices heard for a long time. Give us what you got! Maybe you'll hit on something we haven't heard. A new perspective is always welcome.........
WT

[Ed Hornbuckle]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dunny
	Based on the last 8 years- time for a major change and it's not with the Republican ticket. Pretty funny to read some of the posts on this thread. This is coming from a former registered republican who changed to independent. The republican fear mongering train seems to be moving full steam ahead once again!!

I keep hearing that the libs want change... What is the change they want?
The only thing I see they want is a nanny state that total controls their lives so they don't have to think or take personal responsibility; and gives them something for nothing.

The libs keep saying that bush is evil... what is the evil. Well the only one thing I can think of is ... not closing the borders and stopping the illegal invasion 8 years ago!

[Ed Hornbuckle]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dunny
	If that's what you want to believe- it is a fact that we are worse off now than we were 8 years ago and to think we can continue on the same path is foolish- I know, I know, the repub. ticket is saying they are different, but their times up and time to move off the repub. ideals. I hope some day we can step outside the left and the right and find some common ground with someone that is in between that everyone can agree on- always so polarizing talking about politics- everyone thinks they are right and the other person is wrong.

How are we worse off? The high fuel costs and the resent economic slow down are after the dems took control of the Congress.

Do know that I am better off than I was 8 years ago...

[KrisW]

	Quote: Originally Posted by WangoTango
	Scott, Working on a bid myself. (Oh here we go again...... Twitch, twitch.....) About those illegal aliens from south of the border taking jobs here in the States........... I think I've been outbid on construction jobs by a Juan, a Paco and a Gomez a lot here lately. To top it all off, I had a burglary here out of my garage back in June. I ran into the same truck (that I chased unsuccessfully) a few days later and gave chase again. What was there on that truck that wasn't there the first time I chased it? Mexico plates. (Most definitely the same truck!) I turned the plate number in but nothing has come up and the tools they stole are in use with their new construction venture somewhere......... The real kicker of it all is the case that had a new 9303 radio set with 8611a's in it. (They stole that along with several Dewalt tool cases.) I'm sure they'll figure out how to radio control something with it...... I think Obama will figure a way to meet with them, counsel them and tell them to do better in the future. After all........ Illegals have rights! WT

There was a very news-worthy case earlier this year where a man shot and killed a couple of perps (illegals??) in Texas when they were breaking into his neighbors house.. seems it's LEGAL to shoot burglars in Texas. . .in order to protect your neighbors home and property. I wonder. . does the same Law apply to breaking into businesses or vehicles or garages?

Next time you find that truck .. flatten a tire. . . .a pocket knife is plenty. . ripping out the tire valve with a pair of pliers deflates the tire in about 5 seconds (if you do not want to replace the tire). Taking out one of the fronts is the best way . .then call ICE. When they find your tools, or the status of the thieves, justice will be served.

[WangoTango]

[quote=KrisW;559705]There was a very news-worthy case earlier this year where a man shot and killed a couple of perps (illegals??) in Texas when they were breaking into his neighbors house......

Kris,
In that case the perps were a couple of local blacks that had some priors. I actually saw the guy running from my garage with cases under both arms. I didn't have my gun or cell phone but I had car keys. A small Nissan pickup is quite a test for a loaded 6 cylinder Ford Explorer but I gained on them steadily until a pick-up truck full of day workers pulled in front of me and they got away. (go figure.) When I saw the same two guys in the same truck a couple of days later, it had the Mexico plates on it then. I got the plate number (could have swore it had an Obama sticker on it too!) and turned it in. Nothing yet. I do have my weaponry spread out throught the house now. I won't bother wasting precious gasoline next time..... I'll just "reach out and touch 'em!"
WT

[Scott Gerber]

Upon sign off today Laura Ingraham referred to Sarah as " Hurricane Sarah, cat 6".... how fitting.....!!!!!


Scott

[KrisW]

[quote=WangoTango;559727]

	Quote: Originally Posted by KrisW
	There was a very news-worthy case earlier this year where a man shot and killed a couple of perps (illegals??) in Texas when they were breaking into his neighbors house...... Kris, In that case the perps were a couple of local blacks that had some priors. I actually saw the guy running from my garage with cases under both arms. I didn't have my gun or cell phone but I had car keys. A small Nissan pickup is quite a test for a loaded 6 cylinder Ford Explorer but I gained on them steadily until a pick-up truck full of day workers pulled in front of me and they got away. (go figure.) When I saw the same two guys in the same truck a couple of days later, it had the Mexico plates on it then. I got the plate number and turned it in. Nothing yet. I do have my weaponry spread out throught the house now. I won't bother wasting precious gasoline next time..... I'll just "reach out and touch 'em!" WT

hmm. . if you have a .45. . I know a guy who can send you some glazer rounds. . . .

Wait. . that's not legal . .darnit. . I love Glazers. . they barely penetrate 2 layers of drywall. . but what they do inside the human body is nasty.

[3D Meatshield]

Man this thread exploded this morning! Wish I was at my comp instead of on my phone, so much to say and not enough strength in my thumb ill have to wait til I get home. Keep it going guys!

[dunny]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Ed Hornbuckle
	How are we worse off? The high fuel costs and the resent economic slow down are after the dems took control of the Congress. Do know that I am better off than I was 8 years ago...

oh no, it can't be because of a false economy that the current administration created with the record trade deficit and the dollar value being as low as it is. Seems like starting a war with manipulated intel and putting the war on 'the credit card' for future generations to pay for dosen't sound like better off to me. This stuff does go in cycles but no coincidence here. If I had a chance to vote for someone besides these two, I woud.

[WangoTango]

[quote=KrisW;559731]

glazer rounds?

Republican mind modifiers for liberals and illegals? I'll take a few!! LOL!
WT

[RollingHarrier]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bosshoss
	Commander in Chief is the most important hat the Pres wears, Obama can never wear this hat, Biden spit on Vietnam Vets....swallow the bitter pill, and put the best, most honorable man in charge of the Greatest Military on the planet. He will not dishonor us, ever. Let Conneticuit secede from the union, the miserable liberal child molester protecting pukes need a dose of isolationism to wake them up.

Apparently you didn't see Lieberman's support of McCain. He's from CT. CT has a republican Governor. Someone I voted for and she's an excellent governor and quite honestly would be a great president. CT is the constitution state! One of the original thirteen. So lets not make this personal. We can all voice our opinions and have an open constructive conversation without these kind of pointless uninformed personal attacks. Lets keep this civil so we can keep this thread going, not like the other one they closed.

Obama was not a draft dodger like Clinton. I see no reason for the military to snub him the same way they did Clinton. many presidentshaven't served in the military and he had their respect. Did you see the military support Obama had at the convention? There was a line of generals that stood on stage and waved as their names were called. Are they all "miserable liberal child molester protecting pukes" too? I think he'll have their respect. Maybe Obama can get them the armor they need to keep them safe while over there? The republicans don't seem to be able to get it done.

As far as the economy is concerned: Drilling will not solve our dependence on foreign oil. It will be years probably a decade before we see one drop, if we see any of it. American Oil companies are drilling now and how much of that is exported? Most of it. There are open leases right now that they are not drilling. Why? Every time congress pushes them to use it or loose it they cry foul. Why? Why not make the oil companies export less and keep it here? Why? Because big oil is running our country using the puppets they put in the presidency.
Meanwhile McCain will allow the speculators to continue to falsely raise prices. This has been his voting record. They call him a Maverick but he has voted along with Bush 90+ percent of the time. Not much of a maverick in my eyes. Bush has promised but never delivered a comprehensive energy solution. This is a pattern we cannot afford to ignore.
Wouldn't it be better to save the resources and seek alternate means of energy? Based on the last eight years, do you really think the Republicans will put a dime into the alternative energy? Even though they make promises?

Look at the automotive industry today? How many thousands of people have been laid off? Even if the price of gas comes down do you think those people are going to get their jobs back? I don't think so. More likely they will move those jobs to China or somewhere overseas or across the boarder. Because they are rewarded by our government to do so through tax incentives. Why? And how come no one addresses the deficit? How many trillions will it be? What kind of a country will we give to our children?

And mark my words, A military draft it coming as soon as McCain attacks Iran, and he will. Our children will be forced to fight a B.S. war so corporations can triple their profits. We aren't there stopping terrorism, don't fool yourself, all we're doing is pissing off a crap load of people. All the while Bin Laden is in Pakistan plotting his next attack on US soil. This will be the beginning of WWIII because Russia supports Iran. Just a little prediction.

The U.S. can be a strong leader without having to attack other countries to get our point across. When force is necessary I am all for it. Lets keep our military strong, take care of our veterans, but lets make sure it's absolutely necessary and every possible diplomatic solution has been exhausted. I don't think McCain has the temperament to be diplomatic. Force is not always the answer.

Jim

[Scott Gerber]

[quote=KrisW;559731]

	Quote: Originally Posted by WangoTango
	hmm. . if you have a .45. . I can send you some glazer rounds. . . . .

Now, now boys. No need for violence. Can't we all just get along? Those most unfortunate men in need of things they obviously can't afford is heart breaking. Why should they be hassled about their behavior? They just want to make a honest living and send their money back home to their poor families....


Scott