airframe advice plz? dietrich or aeroworks

[diviatix]

Hi fellas.

After a weekend of carnage, I'm in need of a new plane. And engine...etc...etc.. LOL

I am thinking about an MVVS 58prosport/Evoultion 58. It seems that that engine with different pipe setups can kinda "jump" a size or two up beyond 50cc (if reports are correct)

Anyway, my initial airframe for the 58 is down to two, and I'd really appreciate some advice as to which is better for the 58. (or any other advice you care to offer). Likely I will run the 58 with a side dump or a pitts initally.

OPTION-1
Dietrich Extra 260 50cc
87" wingspan
78" length
1392sq
16-18lb

OPTION-2
Aeroworks Extra 260 50cc
85" wingspan
75" length
1270sq
16-17lb

Seeing that the 58 comes in heavier than a DA50 package, I'd appreciate some insight as to which airframe would suit it best.

Cheers,

Andrew.

[diviatix]

Nobody has any information they can offer?

[Bob S]

I would go for the larger wing area, so out of those two choices I would pick the Dietrich.

I have the 58 with a wrap-around on my 30% AM Yak. With a 24x10 on it the thing is a power house.

[1bwana1]

Recommendations would be better if we knew a little more about how you like to fly. In general, all planes do better with lighter wing loading, so this would seem to favor the Deitrich. However, the Aeroworks come out a little heavier because they are built really strong. You have to decide which is more important to you.

Generally I don't like to respond with a recommendation that is not on the askers list, but here is one you may want to take a look at given the choice of engine. I have not flown one of these, but have talked to people who have. They give it rave reviews, in both flying, and build quality. It is a big plane in the 50cc size range. It should also come in at least a pound lighter than the others. It seems to me it may fit your equipment choice better.
http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/detail.aspx?ID=2281

Here is another great contender. I have flown this one, and it is fantastic. It is again, on the large size for the 50cc market, and was designed for up to 60cc engines. The EF planes are well known for excellent quality, great flying, and the best in customer service.

http://www.extremeflightrc.com/html/50ccExtra.html

Light wing loading flies better. The good news is that there are a lot of great choices in the market. Hope this info is helpful.

[lastresort]

If the extremeflight fits your list I would recommend it. It is very stable in a harrier and tracks nice and straight also. I have a DA50 on mine with an EScomposites pipe and the raw power is great. I'm on my third gal. and haven't got to synthetic yet.

[diviatix]

Thanks for the replies guys.

Still trying to figure the choice out. Any more input you guys have would be great.
1bwana1, I have owned 2 EF Yaks (74") and liked them a lot.... I own the little electric version of the 87"SHP from 3dhs - actually it was my first choice, but they wont ship it to Canada

Cheers,
Andrew.

[1bwana1]

If you really want the SHP it might be time for you to take a drive down to the border.

The EF Extra is a very special airplane, why not get another from a company who has treated you well in the past?

[bodywerks]

I think both of those planes are too small for the 58. They will fit, and they will fly, but they'll be heavy. It looks like people here are recommending bigger planes for you and I agree with them. Extremeflight and Hangar 9 both make planes big enough to fit the bill, but if its a 260 you want, then Ace also makes one, but it doesn't appear to have any more wing area. However, it might come in lighter.
I don't have any experience with Dietrich planes, but I can tell you that an Aeroworks that is built by the average Joe with average equipment comes in at about 16.5 pounds with a DA 50. Expect to be at least 17 if you did the same but with the 58. A little heavy for only around 1250 squares, in my personal opinion.
Remember, however, that you don't need to be an average builder. You can purchase all the CF options, take a little wood out of it (there is easily 5 ounces or more to be lost in the Aeroworks), and get creative with your equipment choices, especially batteries. Many guys use a battery system in these little planes that are WAY overkill and weigh over a pound including ignition. I'd have no problems using a single 1100 A123 on the receiver and another one on the ignition. the total battery weight including the switches would only be 6-7 ounces...there's 10 ounces gone in a flash!

[diviatix]

Thanks for the advice bodywerks. Which Hangar9 would you pick out for the 58?

For the record, even though I know some of these things are overkill...this is how the plane will be setup.
5955's for all surfaces with hitec twisted extensions into a SmartFly power expander pro with pin switch.
Power by 1 2300 A123 + whatever the ignition needs...idk yet
futaba 14ch 2.4fasst to a 10c (older 5955's hence the power expander to get rid of voltage probs)
smartfly fibre optic kill.

So, if you guys think all that will make it too heavy chime in.
For the record I had all that exact gear in a 78" Hangar9 Extra 260 27% powered by a Brillelli46...(the now lamented and laid to rest victim of the weekend's carnage *sob*)

Cheers,

Andrew.

[Bob S]

	Quote: Originally Posted by diviatix
	Thanks for the advice bodywerks. Which Hangar9 would you pick out for the 58? For the record, even though I know some of these things are overkill...this is how the plane will be setup. 5955's for all surfaces with hitec twisted extensions into a SmartFly power expander pro with pin switch. Power by 1 2300 A123 + whatever the ignition needs...idk yet futaba 14ch 2.4fasst to a 10c (older 5955's hence the power expander to get rid of voltage probs) smartfly fibre optic kill. So, if you guys think all that will make it too heavy chime in. For the record I had all that exact gear in a 78" Hangar9 Extra 260 27% powered by a Brillelli46...(the now lamented and laid to rest victim of the weekend's carnage *sob*) Cheers, Andrew.

Use 7955s unless you already have the 5955s.

I would skip the power expander.

Send in all of your equipment to get checked out before it goes in a new plane.

Skip the auto-choke feature on the new ignition.

[Greyhoundman]

Any particular reason you want an Evolution 58? I had one of the original 58's and a gx2 version, yes it was a very powerful engine.....but HEAVY.....almost as heavy as an 80. They advertise the 58 like it has the power of an 80 but it does not it is a strong 50 on par with a brilleli 60 or a G62 lite. If you have your heart set on that size engine you might also consider a G62 lite, BME 58, or Brilleli 60 (if you can find one, out of business)

[Sevans16]

I voted AW after owning 3 AW and one Dietrich that I no longer have.

[JEFFRO503]

I've stated this before in other threads , but for what you get out of a MVVS ( evolution) 58 for the money you pay....is NOT a good choice. without their special tuned pipe combo , the motor doesn't put out much more power than a 50cc motor.. But if you want the extra power.....the motor/pipe combo is $820.00! To friggin much for a 58cc motor that weighs extremely to much! I own a BME 58 , that comes in 10oz less that a DA-50 , 18oz less than an evolution 58 and will spin close to the same prop as the evolution. My BME 58 WITH Ignition came in at 44oz. BUT...there are other choices out there to , which are cheaper than the BME and are a very , very good choice as well. Look into the DL-55 , MT-57 , Area 51 , RCGF 50 , the new CRRC 50cc pro version and the Da-50 as well. I'd recommend the 3W-55 as well....as they are powerfull to , but a little on the heavy side as well.

A 50cc bird....it all depends on what type of airframe you like , and what type of flying you want to do. You mentioned the 3DHS extra. I know if you could get ahold of one of their 87" extras....you would be a happy man! Also , Extreme flight 88" yak or extra, Pilot RC yak , Wildhare sukhoi.....there are so many to choose from in this size.

[kevinf2501]

Not sure why anyone says this motor doesnt put out more power than a G62 or Da50.
The evo 58 I have is on a wildhare cap and is running a 25x10 prop. I dont know of any g62 or DA50 that can turn that kind of prop? The motor has way more power than the other 2 motors.
Granted they are heavier and are a little more finicky and I wouldnt buy one again. However they have way more power than a G62 or Da50.

The Wildhare cap was designed for a G62 so the EVO58 was a perfect match.

[Tired Old Man]

Since other planes have already been mentioned, here's another for you to look at. I'm another that would consider a lighter engine.

http://www.wildharerc.com/products/extra84/