Biplane Fanatics

[vsnap]

	Quote: Originally Posted by GTI20
	I love bi planes too. only have a small one now a GP pitts M-12s 25% But when im good at flying ill get a bigger bi plane

The bigger the bipe the better it will fly. You will be amazed at the diffrence with some models.

[vsnap]

BH,
How is the Hyper coming along? I am curious how the flight characteristics turn out to be.
Scott

[asleep]

Hi Bill,

Although you are sponsored, given that you are at the pointy end of IMAC's could ask you to give us your thoughts on the topic of engine Brands/performance I have put on the table? Would be good to hear from you as, simply, you are one of the pilots I personally keep an eye on what you are doing. I may not always agree but nothing is black and white in this game. Best Regards from the Australian lads

[TimSmith]

I am sitting awaiting.the arrival of my 69'.pitts s2..should land on my doorstep this coming week.
Gonna learn. To fly with a short tail.

[Tired Old Man]

DA, 3w, DLE. All three of them will run just as well as the person that knows how to tune an engine can make them run. Which is very good for all of them.

[asleep]

I agree 100%. Knowledge is more than half the battle to get the best performance. And that goes for all aspects of this hobby.

With regards to the engines we are discussing, it has been my experience that over the years the DLE has been outperformed by the other two. These observations come from flying with 20+ pilots on a consistent basis. Many of these Pilots run a mix of all 3 Brands so on that premise I guess, the knowledge variable can be turned into a constant. My DA-150 was fully run in after 180 flights. My 3w-55 cs only has 40 flights notched up as it is in the Eagle that I do not fly that much; I'm just about about to switch it over to synth. Again, this engine like all gassers should hit best performance around 170 flights. Although the debate is endless between which Brand is better between 3w & DA, I have no opinion at this time.

I knew posting my opinions and advice to twister would bring many points of view and that is great. For me the points of view that hold the most weight are the ones that have been realized from a a wide, timely platform of experience. I have been as transparent as possible in my experience (or lack thereof), so when read posts like "...this engine will pull this plane around with no problems..." I can't see how this adds any value to the discussion. Emperically, such topics spiral down into slang, it would be great if this one doesn't. Has not so far. Best regards

[spacey]

What the?

Dude I'm not here to defend anyone, I'm not affiliated with anyone either. DA or DLE, play and spend time around both every single weekend. They both rock, end of discussion. If it weren't for the nickname I woulda sworn you were trolling.

There is nothing wrong a statement like "X engine will pull Y aeroplane around no problem". Why do we have to publish our bio and prove NASA wrong just to help a brotha out to make up his mind? Heeeell no.

[sweetpea]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tired Old Man
	DA, 3w, DLE. All three of them will run just as well as the person that knows how to tune an engine can make them run. Which is very good for all of them.

Exactly.

[asleep]

Spacey - Dude...

I love your Heli the Sylphide, I'm flying the the The Vibe3D at present.

But please read the whole thread, read just how well considered everyone has been towards the opinions of one another. They are opinions and nothing more. I'll Take a stab and bet that the gyro on your Heli is either Futaba, CYE, Spartan, CSM on an outside chance ( Bi-per's, the Heli in Spacey's Avatar Pic has been around 15 + years and is stilll considered to be one of the absolute best precision Heli's ( Not 3D). In fact it has one the last 5 World Champs in a row). The gyro units I have listed are the most expensive on the market. So Spacey why don't run somthing like an Assan Gyro? (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=7647 ). Yes it's an exact clone of the Futaba 401 by the Chinese. VSnap made comment about this trend earlier. But that shouldn't bother you.

But you know you won't trust your heli that's around 5K+ in the air to the Assan gyro.

Further I nor anyone else has published their Bio on here. There is a considerable distinction between a bio as you would put it and how an opinion is derived. The only individual who has the proven experience to put up a Bio is Bill H. But he doesn't need to as ( and I think I speak for all) we all simply admire him and what he has acheived.

So please, if you will, don't stir a thread that has the potential do spiral into nothing. There are enough of those already and perhaps just once this thread won't become one.

Thanks for understanding
J

[Fred]

Did Carden give up on their Ultimate ?

[castlebravo]

	Quote: Originally Posted by asleep
	Hi Bill, Although you are sponsored, given that you are at the pointy end of IMAC's could ask you to give us your thoughts on the topic of engine Brands/performance I have put on the table? Would be good to hear from you as, simply, you are one of the pilots I personally keep an eye on what you are doing. I may not always agree but nothing is black and white in this game. Best Regards from the Australian lads

How about we keep the focus on the original thread topic........which is airplanes with two wings. There are countless other opportunities to give your opinion on which engine is best, worst, shiniest, dullest, lightest, heaviest, bla bla bla bla......

I personally dont care if the guy goes out and buys 100 boxes of #64 rubber bands and makes the worlds biggest rubberband plane........as long as its a biplane!


CB

[asleep]

	Quote: Originally Posted by castlebravo
	How about we keep the focus on the original thread topic....... I personally dont care if the guy goes out and buys 100 boxes of #64 rubber bands and makes the worlds biggest rubberband plane........as long as its a biplane! CB

Okay. I tried to offer Twister an opinion, nothing more.

And I guess that's the difference between you & I CB. I do care. I don't think he'd have much fun at all using rubber bands, but again, could be wrong...

And it is relevent to the topic; Getting the most enjoyment out of your Bipe.

If you take the time to read the thread when I first came in, I was transparent as to how I arrived at my opinions / advice, but the main thrust was a suggestion to do as much research as possible to get the best equipment for your set-up for yourself. And of course, this includes seeing what others' have had success with looking at the Pro's, etc.

There are people who are sheep in this hobby and then there are those who think.

Have you actually considered the 50cc Python as an Airframe compared to other Bipes, The big circular cowl ' much like a Yak ' means Prop clearance is a very real consideration compared to an Ultimate, or any other Brand. Also, the thckness to cord line ratio on the Python is lower than most, allowing it to be on the extreme side of 3D so you would want to have a look at the torque curve of the engine you chose / prop selection as these two aspects of the design alone make for a higher drag co-efficient. I'm not suggesting you're a thinker or a sheeper, merely the thought that as much fun as you're having now, well, you could have even more fun potentially.

Have Fun

[spacey]

	Quote: Originally Posted by asleep
	Spacey - Dude... I love your Heli the Sylphide, I'm flying the the The Vibe3D at present. But please read the whole thread, read just how well considered everyone has been towards the opinions of one another. They are opinions and nothing more. I'll Take a stab and bet that the gyro on your Heli is either Futaba, CYE, Spartan, CSM on an outside chance ( Bi-per's, the Heli in Spacey's Avatar Pic has been around 15 + years and is stilll considered to be one of the absolute best precision Heli's ( Not 3D). In fact it has one the last 5 World Champs in a row). The gyro units I have listed are the most expensive on the market. So Spacey why don't run somthing like an Assan Gyro? (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=7647 ). Yes it's an exact clone of the Futaba 401 by the Chinese. VSnap made comment about this trend earlier. But that shouldn't bother you. But you know you won't trust your heli that's around 5K+ in the air to the Assan gyro. Further I nor anyone else has published their Bio on here. There is a considerable distinction between a bio as you would put it and how an opinion is derived. The only individual who has the proven experience to put up a Bio is Bill H. But he doesn't need to as ( and I think I speak for all) we all simply admire him and what he has acheived. So please, if you will, don't stir a thread that has the potential do spiral into nothing. There are enough of those already and perhaps just once this thread won't become one. Thanks for understanding J

We need to stay on topic here, so I'll try to keep it brief. Yes I won't use an Assan gyro, simply because it doesn't hold a candle to the two JR G7000's I have in my two Sylphides. And my 7000's still work just as good as the latest and greatest of all other brands, so why change it. They've been good for 4 years. I can say the same for my DLE's, the both run just as well and even better than some DA's at our field. So what now? You still started the which engine is better than the other debate? Let us agree to dissagree, ok? And not bring that up again, not in this thread.

The bio comment was a jab/joke responding to you adding weight to your opinion. That's pretty obvious if you read my comment properly. Oh and I'd be carefull about a statement like a certain person (Deliberately didn't mention name, let's not involve him because yes I do have the worlds respect for this person) being the only in this thread with a respectable bio, there's a bunch of us here already btw.

Now back to bipes!! I jump into this thread regularly because I love bipes, especially Ultimate's and Pitts Specials. Heck me and Mrbigg have been friends since I can remember specifically because of Ultimates. No more engine comments being better than other ok?

[Flyfalcons]

Here's a new one for the bipe fans

http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/s...05#post1309178

[ipsik]

Question about wing incidence

I am assembling a PAU Pitts Challenger and before I guel in the interwing struts or drill for the cabine bolts to the wing I wanted to check on Wing incidence.

Right now with the tail at 0 Degrees and the lower wing is at 0 degrees the upper wing ends up at about 1/2 degree negative maybe a tad more.

Any biplane guys got a better idea than me?

Mike

is this acceptable or should it also be 0 exactly