Oil?

[Darren94]

I am breaking in my dl-50 and everyone uses lawnboy for the first few gallons. But, i cant find it locally nor do i know anyone that has it so, i just picked up some penzoil 2C air cooled non-syn oil and mixed it at 32:1 for the first 2 gallons. Will this be ok? Also, i have amsoil sabe that i intend to run after the break in. Any suguestions?

[Tired Old Man]

You can both break in the engine and run it forever using the Pennzoil at 32-1. 40-1 is good as well. No need for the foul smelling Amsoil.

[Rickster]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What he said, BelRay H1R is great as well...

Rick

[forgues research]

you know this thing about oil is getting old, you get a chainsaw, and run the crap out of it with any two cycle oil you find and never think twice about it.

Just buy 2 cycle oil , read the instructions and go fly


They are all good no matter what anyone says. The only difference is people preference...

Roger

[Darren94]

Thanks guys for the help. I figured this was the case but, the guys at my field swear by certain brands. But, i have raced PWC's for many years and always broken them in on standard 2C oil then ran racing oil. It seems as if in EVERY motorsport, to each is their own concerning oil. Everyone has a different idea of what is the "the best".

[sweetpea]

	Quote: Originally Posted by forgues research
	you know this thing about oil is getting old, you get a chainsaw, and run the crap out of it with any two cycle oil you find and never think twice about it. Just buy 2 cycle oil , read the instructions and go fly They are all good no matter what anyone says. The only difference is people preference... Roger

Yes and no.

Do you tune your Chainsaw constantly?

Do you try to get every last drop of power out of it?

Does your chainsaw run around at 700ft (400ft for AMA) and power a $7k aircraft?

Proper break-in will help seat the motor parts. Typically you don't want to use synthetics as some change the molecular property of the metal (Redline for example).

[The Dirt Doctor]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea
	Yes and no. Do you tune your Chainsaw constantly? Do you try to get every last drop of power out of it? Does your chainsaw run around at 700ft (400ft for AMA) and power a $7k aircraft? Proper break-in will help seat the motor parts. Typically you don't want to use synthetics Sam what do you mean here"as some change the molecular property of the metal (Redline for example).

"?

Please explain in greater detail.

Thanks.

Bobby aka TDD

[Tired Old Man]

Especially the part about not using synthetics and Redline changing the molecular "property" of metals.

I promise I'll only read and laugh without any further response.

[forgues research]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea
	Yes and no. Do you tune your Chainsaw constantly? Do you try to get every last drop of power out of it? Does your chainsaw run around at 700ft (400ft for AMA) and power a $7k aircraft? Proper break-in will help seat the motor parts. Typically you don't want to use synthetics as some change the molecular property of the metal (Redline for example).

My point only here is that we seem to take way too much attention to oil where as all of these oils are very good...

This is not rocket science, these are two stroke engines

Roger

[BOSSIER_ROB]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea
	Typically you don't want to use synthetics as some change the molecular property of the metal (Redline for example).

That's why they make that stuff, so we'll blow our motors up and never buy their product again and tell everyone how crappy their product is. I guess that's how they become a large, wealthy, well-known oil company.

[cliff600]

I have 4 cans of Lawnboy ashless I told you you could buy if you wanted it, they are always in the trailer. We use certain brands of oil because that is what DA recommends. You have a DL, I don't know what they recommend. I do know that they (the technicians) can tell what type of oil you have used and some are not recommended, for some reason. That is why we, the guys at our field, only recommend certain types of oil though.

[sweetpea]

Actually you guys are wrong. It is rocket science. The guys who come up with these synthetic oils are not your avg joes. They are the scientists. (ok maybe not rocket scientists but you get my point).

Also oils like Redline are RACING OILS. Last time I watched racing seems they tear the motor downs quite often and rebuild them. Do you do that to your plane? I've got a lawnmower and weed eater that I throw whatever oil into I have laying around. Why? Because I don't use them that often and I'm not worried that if it stops running or get all gunked up I'll lose $10k dollars. They also typically run at 1 speed and at ground level.

As for redline.........look it up. The interenet isn't rocket science. The metals in these engines are quite soft. Heating them up will expand them (see...seating). Lawnboy does a good job of helping them seat properly and keeping it lubricated. It does make more of a mess though which is why most folks switch out after 5 gallons or so. If it was cleaner I'd run it all the time.

Remember oil does 2 things. It lubricates and it holds onto dirt/metal/gunk in your engine. In a car you change the oil out and the filter every 3000/5000 miles. Not because the oil has lost its lubrication value but because the oil gets "dirty" from normal use. Our planes burn the oil with the gas so it all comes out the exhaust. You hope to not have the dirt/metal/gunk in the oil because it typically gets left behind in the motor causing problems.

But hey.....you can use whatever you want to break a motor in and/or for regular running.

If I ran what the manufacturer called for I'd be running 3W oil. Try to find that in the US at a decent price. I've been runnning Redline for 4 yrs. I've sent 2 motors in (for issues not relating to how they run) and both came back with reports of minimal carbon build up. That is enough reason for me.

Lawnboy ashless for break in.........Redline, Bel Ray, Pennzoil, Amsoil are your most common choices. I've found Amsoil to be too black and cause excessive carbon for my liking. Others swear by it.

[forgues research]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea
	Actually you guys are wrong. It is rocket science. The guys who come up with these synthetic oils are not your avg joes. They are the scientists. (ok maybe not rocket scientists but you get my point). Also oils like Redline are RACING OILS. Last time I watched racing seems they tear the motor downs quite often and rebuild them. Do you do that to your plane? I've got a lawnmower and weed eater that I throw whatever oil into I have laying around. Why? Because I don't use them that often and I'm not worried that if it stops running or get all gunked up I'll lose $10k dollars. They also typically run at 1 speed and at ground level. As for redline.........look it up. The interenet isn't rocket science. The metals in these engines are quite soft. Heating them up will expand them (see...seating). Lawnboy does a good job of helping them seat properly and keeping it lubricated. It does make more of a mess though which is why most folks switch out after 5 gallons or so. If it was cleaner I'd run it all the time. Remember oil does 2 things. It lubricates and it holds onto dirt/metal/gunk in your engine. In a car you change the oil out and the filter every 3000/5000 miles. Not because the oil has lost its lubrication value but because the oil gets "dirty" from normal use. Our planes burn the oil with the gas so it all comes out the exhaust. You hope to not have the dirt/metal/gunk in the oil because it typically gets left behind in the motor causing problems. But hey.....you can use whatever you want to break a motor in and/or for regular running. If I ran what the manufacturer called for I'd be running 3W oil. Try to find that in the US at a decent price. I've been runnning Redline for 4 yrs. I've sent 2 motors in (for issues not relating to how they run) and both came back with reports of minimal carbon build up. That is enough reason for me. Lawnboy ashless for break in.........Redline, Bel Ray, Pennzoil, Amsoil are your most common choices. I've found Amsoil to be too black and cause excessive carbon for my liking. Others swear by it.

Its not rocket science for the end user, but most likely it is for the manufacturer, that is what I meant...

Roger

[ericb]

	Quote:
	Typically you don't want to use synthetics as some change the molecular property of the metal (Redline for example).

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea;584055 [QUOTE
	Lawnboy ashless for break in.........Redline, Bel Ray, Pennzoil, Amsoil are your most common choices. I've found Amsoil to be too black and cause excessive carbon for my liking. Others swear by it.

I am confused. Is redline good or bad?

[storklappe]

If you call DA, they will recommend Red Line.

It seems odd but my local grocery store sells Lawn Boy. You can also order it from Don's Hobby shop in Kansas.