ARF for 150cc Around 36 LBS.

[ben_beyer]

Honestly, if I went the Dalton route, I'd build most of it myself. I'd probably look into having the foam sheeted for me and that's about it. I'd also probably go with the regular Extra 300 since it has more side area. I have to see what happens with the economy myself before I go and spend any money. It's just life.

[rdgood]

To me,

I think in terms of value the Dalton is probably better than the Carden.. They both will do very well all the way up to unlimted in IMAC. I have heard that the 260 is the better one at 3D..
Tony says that is his favorite!
For the amount of work verses price of the builders kit ya can't go wrong.. IMHO...

I do think the Dalton's are better 3D machines than the Cardens only because the wing area is much better(250 squares more). But the Carden's will do very well for IMAC...

The thing that stops me cold from doing a builder's kit is getting the paint done..

I just wish there was a easier way to get a high quality paint job. Every time I try to get the stuff it always adds up to about 400 bucks to get a decent paint job... there are no gaurantees that it will turn out right...I have tried to have other folks do it and they dont understand the weight thing
They just want to keep piling on the paint - and ya want paint that will flex without cracking and so on... ugggh!

Ronster

[MikeC3D]

Sheeting is the easy part, Carden comes with the shucks, doesnt' Dalton...?

[rdgood]

Mike,

I am pretty sure that Daton's would have the shucks..

Actually doing the sheeting is the easy part - once you have trued your balsa and glued the edge sheeting strips together.. Now if your gonna do the coring thing - well that's a whole nother ball game. That's where I would get somebody like Sensei to help out.. Knowing just where to core is very critical there - IMHO... It can be done. The alphatic glues are much better now than they were a few years ago...

Ronster

[ben_beyer]

I just don't have space to do the sheeting. My workbench isn't big enough and it's just easier to have someone else do it than risk messing up a set of cores.

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Flatlandman
	A 40% with a 150 will have really good power even if its 40 pounds. It will 3d and fly imac at that weight very well. Dont get to crazy people use to fly those cardens at 45 pounds with the 150 and regular mufflers.

I was only in Intermediate at the TAS this year, and my sub-38-pound Extra with a 150 and Greves tuned pipes was what I would consider 'sufficient' power. There were times that I wished I had more, though...
BIll Hemple had a 41 pound Extra with a 3W 170 on it and he struggled to get through some of the vertical line maneuvers.
Come to Tucson with a 40 pound plane and stock 150, at nearly 3,000 feet and 25mph winds, and do a 45 upline with a positive 1-1/2 snap from inverted(breaking you to the ground), then pull to the vertical and do 7 of 4 points followed by a hammerhead and tell me that you have plenty of power.

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by MikeC3D
	And how do you like it ?

overall I like it very much. But after this week's Shootout I think a 118" plane with a little less drag and a little heavier, like 39 pounds, with a piped 170 would be more ideal for windy flying.

[bodywerks]

	Quote:
	Oh - FWIW - Tony will build to any level of completion.. That includes the sweet painted engine cowl and painting the canopy(glassing into the front turtle deck) sweet stuff...

How recently did you talk to him? With his new full-time job at DA, I don't think he plans to build anymore - kits only. At least that was what he told me a few months ago.

[rdgood]

Bodywerks,

It was about 4 weeks ago!
He is still doing bulding stuff - his website is still up also!

I think he is limiting his commits though..

Ronster

[ben_beyer]

So, would 2 8711's on each aileron be ok or do I need to go with 3 on each aileron to get good performance?

[MikeC3D]

AT 7.4v it will be gobbs........

[ben_beyer]

I'd be using A123 batteries so as long as 800 in./oz. of torque is enough. I read that Jesky likes 3 servos/wing to prevent warping and Leseberg set up his sequence plane that way to; however, I think Leseberg was trying to add weight if I remember correctly.