IMAC/Pattern combo ???

[sweetpea]

Not sure what you mean.........

My YS 140 only gets 10mins.....anylonger than that and my tank is too close to dry.

My 35% plane on the other hand gets 15-20 mins no problem.

Since I fly both Imac and Pattern let me help you out.

In IMAC you fly 2 sequences back to back per round
Pattern you fly one

In IMAC you take off and circle at the 3rd to last manuever of the guy before you......puts 4 airplanes in the air at once at times
Pattern you take off after the guy before you has landed

In IMAC takeoff landing is not scored
Pattern it is.

IMAC......unkowns
Pattern....no unkowns


Actually what I was suggesting is flying both planes in a particular class. I fly both pattern and IMAC so I think it would be cool to see which I fly better with in a given contest.

I do like the idea of the contest......I think it could be ready for next summer time

[shannah]

Someone needs to do more flying and less dreaming.......

Putting pattern planes and IMAC planes in the same contest is rather silly. I like both types of flying but, seriously, what's the point of this???

[Boulder]

	Quote: Originally Posted by DKnippen
	Mike, Is this Pattern vs. Pattern or Pattern vs Imac. That wouldn't work I feel just because of the Judging and the difference in the way the Imac and Pattern planes fly. But it would be nice to see what both sides are doing at the same event. Whether Scale or Pattern it's still aerobatics. This would need a couple of qualified CDs to run a contest like this. Dan

DK,

I believe what Mike is talking about would be all new classes, all new sequences, all new judging criteria. The airplanes would be both IMAC and Pattern, kind of a "fly what you brung" situation. The reason, I believe, would be to have an event that would include both the IMAC and the Pattern groups without forcing anybody to build a new plane just for this competition.

[Imac Kiwi]

Down Under here in NZ we run 2 day regional comps with pattern and Imac.

To date we have run 1 day Pattern and the other day Imac. there is no reason you can't run 1/2 day of each per day. We did this because most of the Pattern guys fly Imac and vice versa. From my experience with this, normally being the CD for Imac with Frazer the CD for Pattern you need to run each to their own existing rules. We have found this format works very well for us with more entries as we can fly both events for 1 trip away.
Just some comments on how it works for us

Regards
Alan

[dmichael]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Temptation
	Dave, Very cool idea. I would enjoy that also. Would the sequences be the same throught all rounds, even though we are switching between pattern and IMAC planes? The only issue I see with that is there may not be enough pilots that have both IMAC and pattern planes. I could be wrong though. Thanks, Mike Darr

Mike,

The way I would propose it, current IMAC sequences would be used when flying the IMAC plane and current Pattern sequences would be used when flying the pattern plane.

It would be a sort of flying bi-athalon.



shanna,

As to why? I don't know, why not? Always fun to try something new. I have flown in numerous IMAC contests and one Pattern contest. While the manuevers are not that dissimilar, they are two different ballgames. Let's see who can do both disciplines.

[Biff]

Guys, I've been reading this thread with great interest. Breaking out of the mold and thinking outside the box is something I dig! I'm in agreement that judging is a tough call. Pattern snaps and gasser snaps,,,the judges meeting on snaps alone could be lengthy!

I think the concept is cool. Including is always cooler than excluding. My thought is to prove the concept by holding a "micro contest" at an established venue and do it as a demonstration. Kinda like having a sea trial for a ship in a shallow pond instead of the North Atlantic. Would give you the areas that will work and those that need tweaking in a non pilot screaming at you environment.

One thing I've learned in the hobby is you just can't tell what's going to be popular and what won't. Artistic aerobatics is an awesome concept. Pattern plane designers have the 3D surfaces ready to go. Just didn't take off for some reason.

Mike, if there's a fire in your belly to make this a reality run with it! I'm glad to see everyone expressing opinions, they certainly help in the big picture. This is a pretty radical concept. I like radical!! Biff

[Temptation]

	Quote: Originally Posted by shannah
	Someone needs to do more flying and less dreaming....... Putting pattern planes and IMAC planes in the same contest is rather silly. I like both types of flying but, seriously, what's the point of this???

Thanks for the positive outlook. Actually there are a lot of points to this. Since you are having such a hard time seeing what one of them would be, I will just extend an invitation for you to spend more time reading other threads.

Mike Darr

[Temptation]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Biff
	Guys, I've been reading this thread with great interest. Breaking out of the mold and thinking outside the box is something I dig! I'm in agreement that judging is a tough call. Pattern snaps and gasser snaps,,,the judges meeting on snaps alone could be lengthy! I think the concept is cool. Including is always cooler than excluding. My thought is to prove the concept by holding a "micro contest" at an established venue and do it as a demonstration. Kinda like having a sea trial for a ship in a shallow pond instead of the North Atlantic. Would give you the areas that will work and those that need tweaking in a non pilot screaming at you environment. One thing I've learned in the hobby is you just can't tell what's going to be popular and what won't. Artistic aerobatics is an awesome concept. Pattern plane designers have the 3D surfaces ready to go. Just didn't take off for some reason. Mike, if there's a fire in your belly to make this a reality run with it! I'm glad to see everyone expressing opinions, they certainly help in the big picture. This is a pretty radical concept. I like radical!! Biff

Biff,

At first I wasn't sure how to really get an event like this started. Your idea of a micro contest is brilliant. In all honesty, the more I think about it a micro contest is the only way to go at first.

I do feel strongly about this type of event, and I think as time goes on this thread will offer more and more info on what the right way to do this would be. I really think this would be a very positive event for r/c. This event is in no way meant to compete or replace any event that already exists. This would be a new venue in all aspects. It may never work out, or it may turn into something big. Only time will tell. If you have any ideas let me know.

I am willing to listen to anything positive.
For those of you out there that may think this is silly, just move along to another thread.

Mike Darr

[Temptation]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Imac Kiwi
	Down Under here in NZ we run 2 day regional comps with pattern and Imac. To date we have run 1 day Pattern and the other day Imac. there is no reason you can't run 1/2 day of each per day. We did this because most of the Pattern guys fly Imac and vice versa. From my experience with this, normally being the CD for Imac with Frazer the CD for Pattern you need to run each to their own existing rules. We have found this format works very well for us with more entries as we can fly both events for 1 trip away. Just some comments on how it works for us Regards Alan

This is something all new. This would be an event that we have never seen before. My idea is to design that pattern and IMAC planes would compete on a equal basis for the same prize. The most important thing to uderstand about this proposal, is that it would be a brand new type of venue, designed specifically for IMAC and pattern planes to compete together. This type of event would bring many positive things to IMAC and Pattern. I am not trying to marry the two organizations together, just have an annual event. Something like this would bring new technoligies to the r/c world.

Mike Darr

[Temptation]

I have been thinking about this some more and I think it is time to list some of the reasons I feel this would benefit r/c in a positive way.

This is how I see one good thing that could come out of an event of this caliber. IMAC and patter both have a very large wealth of knowledge as far as pilots go. When I refere to pilots I am talking about the whole picture. Sharing flying tips, coaching each other, building tips, and the list goes on. Now, I for example have only flown pattern competitivley so far. So, this means that I have only been able to benefit from the pattern pilot talent banks. An event like this would bring everybody together for one event a year. This would form new friendships, and allow IMAC and pattern pilots to tap into each others talent banks.

Second, if an event like this was to actually take off, you would start to see pilots specializing their planes and equipment for the event. This would in turn trickle down to everybody. The technology that would be generated would benefit many.

Thats at start,

Mike Darr

[Biff]

Well how about this Mike, let's give her a run at the Ohio Huck Fest. I'm sure the organizers would be up for it!!! You feel strongly? Let us know what we can do boss!!! Worst case senario we have GIANT fun! Bring your lawn darts and let's just see what's what!

[Boulder]

Ok,

Now we have to name the event...

PIMAC...no maybe not...

IMAttern...hmmmmmm...maybe...or maybe not

I don't care what we call it, just don't count me out!!! I'm so there!!!

Now I have to borrow a trailer to get all my stuff down to Peebles!!!

[Biff]

Mike, just do the leg work and let us know what you need. DO IT,,,,DO IT!!!!

[Temptation]

Biff,

As I mentioned before this is something that would take a lot of planning, and would not be able to be done in a short amount of time. The Huckfest may be a good place to try it out. I can't make that one though, I will be at a pattern contest in Chicago that weekend. I will try this in due time. The point of this thread was to get ideas to see what people would want. Unfortunatley most of the time was trying to make the guys understand what it would be about, instead of getting suggestions. I think at this point I need to sit down and make up a complete plan, then post that. Sequence, rules, the whole ball of wax. I think it would be a lot easier for folks to understand it in that manner. At this point it's just a thought. Would be cool to give it a shot. I will continue planning, and when I have something a little more complete I will post it. This is a site that is mostley IMAC more than anything else. I know a lot about pattern, but have never competed in IMAC. I know decent amount of the IMAC criteria. What I was looking for in this post was to tap into the IMAC knowledge that is here to get an idea of what people would want out of an event like this.

Mike Darr