which 40%er to get

[ILLUSION258]

T. bob it seems you just wasted your own time typeing that all of the things i listed are under 2000 and i have way more
1.sd models
2.hanger 9
3.aviation models
4.QQ
5.troy built models
and there are many more all of them are under 2000

[ILLUSION258]

and it seems when ou said our time you spoke for your self

[bodywerks]

T.bob is just quick and to the point. If you are just running this poll for entertainment and wishful thinking then it is wasting everyone's time. Not many 14yr olds with 40%ers in their hangar, after all...

[bodywerks]

and scratch xtreme composites off your list - they are $2500+

[ILLUSION258]

next year for imac i am using a 40%er and getting tips to which one to use i will put pics when i get it
if any of you have a comment just to say some thing then dont type anything i am just asking a simple question and get some tips

[Sevans16]

I currenty have a the AW 85cc Yak, Dietrich 75cc Extra, a GP 38% Extra and looking for another 40% ARF. I am leaning towards the Dietrich Slick, AW 260 mainly and possibly a PAU Edge or AW Yak.

There are a lot of GS modelers here in Vegas and there are many planes I have not seen. I can also remember coming from a small club where a 1/4 scale was just crazy big.

There seems to be a lot of the AW at my field and guys are real happy with them. The quality and ease of building will spoil you!! I have seen guys crash 40% planes order an AW and be flying again in the same week.

[pepatrick]

Lets not hold age to fire and lets not give the kid grief about flying a 40% plane. Yes...we (the older crowd) have to work our butts off to buy a 40% plane..but if the Illusion258 has the resources (parents) then so be it. If I could get my kid to fly with me, I would have him in a 40% plane and he is 11. I think the kid is asking reasonable questions...trying to do his homework and not afraid to ask a couple of questions. After all he is a teenager and should know everything by now. So he is fact finding..he is not telling you some crazy story that says he is buying a $3800.00 Comp-Arf pitts python and 10 grand worth of electronics and motor. He is asking questions about reasonably priced 40% airplanes. At least he is asking quesitons instead of just assuming he knows everything...like a lot of posts from others on here.

[1bwana1]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	T.bob is just quick and to the point. If you are just running this poll for entertainment and wishful thinking then it is wasting everyone's time. Not many 14yr olds with 40%ers in their hangar, after all...

There seem to be enough 14 year olds with 40%ers to kick our butt at contests Nick.

[T. Bob]

If you do you math a $2,000.00 arf equipped similar to the Carden thats for sale is going to cost ya about $6,000.00, So being closed minded on a new $2,000.00 airframe is pretty naive.

Hey the kid wants to buy crap.

I say we let him.

[pepatrick]

I would agree...but I wouldnt pay 6000 for a plane with 300 flights on it...or 3700 for a 300 flight air frame and most other people would not either. I understand it is a BBW carden, but it is 2 years old with 300 flights. Wood does tend to stress and while a BBW Carden is built better than your average Carden..it is still balsa wood with the stress of 300 flights...Its priced not much less than a carden thats brand new. Arguably you can get a brand new compy for less money with no flights on it. They have a pretty good reputation for flying straight too.

There is plenty of debate on which plane flies better...A carden, a Compy or any of the major competitor ARFs. There are those that are against ARFs..and those against composites.. No doubt a Carden is one of the best looking planes out there, but there is plenty of competition out there even in the sub $2000 price range that fly just as well and are new...Also..if the plane gets dinked...you can get parts for the ARF...if the Carden gets dinked...you can get the parts..but your a month or so without a plane to fly..

[T. Bob]

It is 300 flights but just about all of them are IMAC flights by a pretty good pilots.

Just pretty good

Not great

[Sevans16]

I already have a gaggle of 8711 servos and most all the other hardware. I have a new DA-170 sitting on the bench. So your math doesn't work for me TBob. I think your insulting everyone on this forum that doesn't fly a $4k plus airframe.

I guess I will continue to look for a "crap" plane to put my stuff in.

[Mithrandir]

it isn't the 300 flights that concerns me about an older plane... it is the 100 times it was put in and out of a trailer... then in and out of the garage... the 100 times the canopy bolts have been installed and removed and the wing bolts and the stab bolts..... the 25000 miles riding on the gear in a bumpy trailer.... and the 300 times it was fueled and who knows how many times fuel was spilled or dribbled....the 50 hours of vibration the airframe has gone thru....

I wouldn't pay $3700 for any plane with that many flights... not even a Krill or a Compy... much less a wooden plane

But... get the AW or the QQ iMHO.... THey both have support and fly really well....

[T. Bob]

	Quote:
	it is the 100 times it was put in and out of a trailer... then in and out of the garage... the 100 times the canopy bolts have been installed and removed and the wing bolts and the stab bolts..... the 25000 miles riding on the gear in a bumpy trailer.... and the 300 times it was fueled and who knows how many times fuel was spilled or dribbled....the 50 hours of vibration the airframe has gone thru....

Ive been busted

Very good Mithrandir

Hey I'm not just pushin this plane, my point is that they're are a lot of great used 40% Cardens out there for sale and the kid should explore that option.
Just because it's newer doesn't mean it's better.

Hey arfs are fine I just don't think the fly as well as a Carden. My H9 260 flies a lot better than I can.

As for the "plastic" planes they're cool but fixin fiberglass scares me.

[pepatrick]

I have owned a Carden...and one built quite well..I have a Comp Arf 3.0 Yak..I have flown the AW 260 Extra (and just purchased one). If I had to do it all over again..I would buy another AW and probably will when the 40% Extra 3xx comes out. I love my Yak..it is my favorite plane to fly, but it doesnt fly $1600.00 better than the Aeroworks..The reality is, I dont need it...ARFs have become so much better that there is not much reason to build a Carden anymore. I love Cardens and I will own another one some day..but the ARFs are getting better and better...and cheaper and cheaper. My 260 will have:

DA-170 on KS 95 Cans rear exit softmount.
8711s everywhere
2 x 2300 A123s on the reciever (JR R1222)
1 x 2300 A123 on the ignition
3 x Fromeco Kodiac switches
SWB 2 adjustable tray

$5500 to $6000 when done

The Compy Yak
DA-170 on MTW 110 Cans
Powerbox Royal
8711s everywhere
2 x Li-Mng 3800 on reciever (2 x JR R921s)
1 x Li-Ion 4300 on ignition
SWB 3 adjustable tray

$8500 to $9000 complete

The Yak is not that much better..and is harder to get parts for.

I am tempted to pull the PB Royal out and go with a single R1222 in the Compy...and A123s...The bling of the PB is cool, but the reality is...The compy has 3 8711s on the rudder which is way over kill...I will pull one of them out and keep as a spare...Each plane would be set up identical...2 x A123s on the reciever...8 x 8711s and 1 x 8611a for throttle. Quick charge at the field...and A123s are cheap and very reliable...and best of all...no...regulators.

What Im afraid of..is I will like the AW 260 better than the Yak..and you will see the Yak posted for sale on here...but...I dont know..I love the Yak.