Who's flying the Wild Hare 88" Edge?

[Tram]

	Quote: Originally Posted by pipercub123
	So what engine are you stuffing in her Tram?

25oz of Neu.. Neu 1521/1.5...

I'll probably use the forward location..

[66stang]

If your Edge is as nice as my Extra 260 you will be very happy!. Also the hardware kit is worth every penny. It's filled with the stuff you would buy, but don't have to do all the running around looking for it. Good luck with the build..

[Tram]

Yeh, I was silly and didn't get the hardware package.. Dunno what I was thinkin'.. Too many cheap ARF's I guess pushed me to want to "roll my own."

So far the kit is a BEAUT! I love it!

[Tired Old Man]

I have not yet found a need for a servo arm longer than 1-1/4". Generally, using 140% of travel adjust, I end up attaching the servo arm linkage at about 1-1/8" with the surface end at 1-1/4" or more to obtain full surface deflection at max servo travel. That's how you get good resolution. You really don't want to be dialing the travels down at the transmitter to achieve max deflections. Servo arms that provide for more than one attachment point permit better linkage geometries, and many more options are available to the user to fine tune travel and resolution issues. A single point arm severely limits what one can do to achieve the best possible geometry, maximizing servo resolution, surface travels, and maintaining safe and effective "advantage" ratios. So the reason one person prefers a servo arm with only one attachment location is precisely why I won't use them. Tried them but found them too limiting.

As for a cable rubbing at either end of a fuselage slot, try crossing the cables before buying a longer arm. That's why SWB makes different shapes in double arms. They assist in correcting geometery issues with cables and connector attachment locations.

Just for clarification in "hands on" experience with these things, I've had or have the following W/H products since W/H started business. (2) 28% Extras, (1) 28% Edge v1, (2) 28% Edge v2, (1) 29" Ultimate, (1) 29" Sukhoi, (1) 35% Giles 202, (1)40% Giles 202, (2) 35% Edge 540, (1) 35% Sukhoi. A few of them were prototypes used to establish what worked and what didn't.

So I have a fair idea of what works well in the rabbit hutch. Until I put this to print I never realized just how many W/h planes I've gotten to play with!

[Tram]

Awesome.. Thanks Old Man..

[pipercub123]

Wow, that's a lot of planes Tired Old Man. Do you keep track of flights on your planes? I try to keep a logbook, but sometimes forget to record some flights. If so, which one has the most flying time? My last 50cc lasted almost two seasons so I think that's pretty good. I hope to fly the crap out of this one and would like to see it last for more than a season.

"25oz of Neu.. Neu 1521/1.5... "

What the heck is that Tram? LOL. I'm guessing electric? That's pretty light, what's the weight with battery?

[Tired Old Man]

The most flights are on a 28% v2 Edge. All of the 28% planes hold up extremely well over years of flying. The 35% Giles has been around here for about 4 years or more now. That's one of the reasons I like W/H planes. They are well constructed while being reasonably light. There are lighter planes on the market, some costing a lot more and some less but how well they hold up over numerous flights makes a difference in how fat or thin my wallet is. I prefer it fat and it does that by not having to replace planes that fell apart. Not much I can do about the wallet obiesity issue when I plant a plane though....

I generally only log flights when I'm doing prototype development flights to note what needs to be changed where and why, along with notes referencing c/g performance, thrust angles, surface deflections, and stuff like that. A couple of the planes are engine test beds used for trying out various engines to see which performs and wears in a given manner. The rest of the time it's only a few notes that would concern various mixes or prop performance.

[pipercub123]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tired Old Man
	I generally only log flights when I'm doing prototype development flights to note what needs to be changed where and why, along with notes referencing c/g performance, thrust angles, surface deflections, and stuff like that. A couple of the planes are engine test beds used for trying out various engines to see which performs and wears in a given manner. The rest of the time it's only a few notes that would concern various mixes or prop performance.

That's pretty good logbook stuff. I normally just record the flight number, but eventually forget to as I don't always make it a routine. Good to hear about the planes lasting a while as I'll buy more WH's to add to my collection and not to replace ones that wear out! If they aren't lasting long enough than it's obviously tough to have a collection. I've got my eye on a 35% Extra with the flames scheme in the future! That'll be nice! Oh yeah, fat wallets are one thing where fat can be healthy. Best of luck to you in keeping it fat.

[Tram]

Yeh, it's about equal to 70/80cc gas, power wise..

3.4lbs for the battery..

[pipercub123]

Tram, sounds cool. How many batteries, type, capacity, and voltage do you plan? Do you have any thrust figures on your motor with a specific prop? Sorry for so many questions, but you've got me interested.

I sure hope you do a build thread, it'd be awesome to see it come together and see the performance of it. So we're looking at just under 5.0lbs with batteries and motor. A Zenoah G62 is just over 5.13 lbs. as I'm sure you already checked out. Your motor should outdo that G62, . I hope you don't lose too much of the light wing loading. Is it possible for you to run your RX off from your power pack through any BEC circuitry on the speed controller? I doubt this is common practic for big electrics nor is it the safest way to go IMO, but I guess as long as you monitor your flight pack very closely and have a reliable battery it'll be okay and a way on saving weight. Will you be using CF tubes? Perhaps lightening holes in the gear or going to a CF gear? CF spinner or no spinner?

I like the idea of an electric as they're quiet. The battery price keeps me away from them though.

[Tram]

	Quote: Originally Posted by pipercub123
	Tram, sounds cool. How many batteries, type, capacity, and voltage do you plan? Do you have any thrust figures on your motor with a specific prop? Sorry for so many questions, but you've got me interested.

Planning on running 12S of our 5000mah packs.. 2 - 6S in series on an Xoar 24x12 prop.... I don't have any thrust numbers, but check out the video on our site, www.therightstick.com.. I uploaded a buddy of mine flying his 19lb 3DHS 89" Extra on this setup.. The video speaks volumes..

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	I sure hope you do a build thread, it'd be awesome to see it come together and see the performance of it.

Yeh, I'll do a build thread here..

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	So we're looking at just under 5.0lbs with batteries and motor. A Zenoah G62 is just over 5.13 lbs. as I'm sure you already checked out. Your motor should outdo that G62, . I hope you don't lose too much of the light wing loading.

It should obliterate a G62.. I have a DA-50 I was going to put in it, but that motor is now for sale..

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	Is it possible for you to run your RX off from your power pack through any BEC circuitry on the speed controller?

I am going to be running a Phoenix 110 ESC, Spektrum 9100 RX and a separate 2S 2500mah flight pack.. I'll be running 7955's on the 2S pack with no regulators.. They will survive the voltage..

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	Will you be using CF tubes? Perhaps lightening holes in the gear or going to a CF gear? CF spinner or no spinner?

I haven't picked up an CF tubes yet.. I might look into it.. I need to get an idea of my AUW.. Looked at some CF gear but haven't popped for any yet.. Again, need to weigh it all out..

I'll be running a Pete Models CF spinner though.. Just trying to decide the best looking shape for the edge.. Probably go with an Ulti style..

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	I like the idea of an electric as they're quiet. The battery price keeps me away from them though.

You and almost everyone else, however, the equipment is becoming affordable very quickly.. I am going to run 2 - 6S packs so I can run the 6S packs in other aircraft.. I've even thought about running 3 - 4S packs or 4 - 3S packs..

Jeff
www.CommonSenseRC.com

[Simpleton]

Up load This One, and that plane is 17lb 4oz, but I have a 19lb plane on the same motor and it's plenty.

[Tram]

LOL.. Spreading the inrunner gospel.. I like!

[pipercub123]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Simpleton
	Up load This One, and that plane is 17lb 4oz, but I have a 19lb plane on the same motor and it's plenty.

That's a good flying plane. Also, low vibration must really save the airframe! That thing has some good pullout.


Jeff, good setup plan.

[Tram]

Yeh, we'll see what happens..

I bet I can save close to a pound ~10oz or so in replacing the tubes with cf tubes..

I need to start weighin' parts out and see what I come up with.. Motor and servos should be at the house tomorrow..