100cc planes

[camss69]

	Quote: Originally Posted by landon
	MagicHand 35% Yak (103") is $599 with hardware. Abell RC (102" )Edge is $749.99 with hardware. Also the QQ Yak(101"} is $649.99 with no hardware. WH Edge $799 with no hardware. The Extreme Flight and Hangar 9 versions are not any better than any of the other planes to justify the extra money they charge for them . IMHO. All of these planes are very good quality and very good flyers. So you do the math and choose which ever appeals to you the most. I also know where you can get a brand new DL100 for $617 shipped.

I disagree on the Extreme Flight not being worth the additional cost.
If you want a solid built, FANTASTIC flying airplane, with quality as good if not better than Aeroworks, the 110 is at the top of this list. Chris is also an awesome guy to deal with should you need customer support.
The Hangar 9 planes, although they fly awesome, are not worth the cost. The build quality was not up to QQ, or even close to EF or AW and I don't think they are worth their cost. I had both the 35% 260 and the new 33% Sukhoi.

Most of the time you get what you pay for.

[Geno]

Go with a aeroworks yak or 260 or extreme flight yak 110. You wont be disappointed. The quality of those kits are awesome. You get what you pay for. Quality always has its price. Good luck.

[danielph]

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"I disagree on the Extreme Flight not being worth the additional cost.
If you want a solid built, FANTASTIC flying airplane, with quality as good if not better than Aeroworks, the 110 is at the top of this list. Chris is also an awesome guy to deal with should you need customer support."

[landon]

All of the planes mentioned are top quality. If you haven't seen in person or flown some of the lesser known planes your biased. From what I have noticed on both major websites, there is a lot of bias towards a couple manufacturers. Those manufacturers provide excellent customer service and quality products. IMHO they are way overpriced. There are several lesser known manufacturers that provide just as good, and in some cases, better airplanes at significantly lower prices. It is very difficult and expensive to bring new planes in and compete with the more established suppliers. IE, advertising, quantity of product per container, etc.
I get tired of people saying "You get what you pay for". That phrase really doesn't apply to large scale gas aircraft, IMHO.
Competition is good. Give the little guys a chance. Its better for the hobby.
I'm sure this will stir up a bunch of bruhaha from bias people who will only buy from one or two manufacturers and not try something different.
Just my opinion, please be gentle and mature. Thanks.

[sinergy]

It's pretty hard to beat EF , AW, or QQ in general.. I have seen a lot of the competition and while there is some good stuff out there, however most of the less expensive stuff just doesn't compete.

Landen I think your are wrong.

$799 for a WH + 85 for the hardware kit puts you at $884 for a 102" Plane.

$1049 for an EF 110" Yak that is way bigger, has a lot better hardware package (titianium linkages, ball links, fiberglass control horns etc etc), a pilot, and a dash.

I think it's a no brainer to spend less than $200 more for the difference.



As far as "I get tired of people saying "You get what you pay for". That phrase really doesn't apply to large scale gas aircraft, IMHO." Well that's your opinion, but IMHO you are wrong. Lots of the planes out there fly well, but not many fly amazing.

There are a lot of companies out there that just go to ARF land and see what they have to offer, pick a couple planes, get 1 prototype and if it flies ok they market it. Few actually travel overseas multiple times, do extensive testing, redesign, and more testing before releasing their products.

I think there are a lot of ARF sellers who aren't even that great of pilot so what flies well for them wouldnt fly so well for someone who was a top notch pilot and knew what they were looking for.

Once again this is only my opinion



Edit: I wanted to add - judging by your comments - that I don't think you have any time on the H9 260 - few planes out there can touch it in IMAC. Although the new price really hurts it.

[landon]

The H9 Extra is a great airplane. Watched Brandon fly it in Sportsman all season in 07 when he won everything with it. Still way too expensive, because I would like to have one, but aint payin that kind of money for it.
I would venture to say that you are a tried and true EF guy. Also great airplanes and great customer service. Also overpriced.
I fly a off brand 50cc airplane that is built as good if not better, is lighter, flys IMAC and 3D excellent that costs almost half of what the "name" brands cost. EF planes are the best looking ARF's around, and I would love to have one of them as well, but not payin that kind of money for one.
Just how I feel only. My intention is not to bash anybody. Like I said earlier, they are all very good airplanes. I dont have a lot of money to burn, but love IMAC and large scale aerobats. Thankfully there are quality products out there now that someone like me can afford. Otherwise I would still be flying those annoying glow planes.

[landon]

Ok, sorry for ranting. I do that every once in a while. Sorry. I'll shut up now. Hope I didn't offend anyone, didn't intend to. Thanks.

[wildhare]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sinergy
	It's pretty hard to beat EF , AW, or QQ in general.. I have seen a lot of the competition and while there is some good stuff out there, however most of the less expensive stuff just doesn't compete. Landen I think your are wrong. $799 for a WH + 85 for the hardware kit puts you at $884 for a 102" Plane. $1049 for an EF 110" Yak that is way bigger, has a lot better hardware package (titianium linkages, ball links, fiberglass control horns etc etc), a pilot, and a dash. I think it's a no brainer to spend less than $200 more for the difference.

I take issue with saying their hardware is better. Titanium or composite pushrods, both do the job. Titanium is shinier, yes, but composite is just as strong and just as cool and the length is adjustable.

WH hardware package includes ball links. Many people do not like glue-in fiberglass horns and prefer a steel stud which offers adjustability and is replaceable. WH make planes both ways, most people who get the glue-in horns ask if there isn't a screw-in alternative.

So you are paying $200 for a pilot and panel, I'll include those for $30. And if you already have that stuff (as at least half of my customers do) you save $250 with a Wild Hare plane.

	Quote:
	As far as "I get tired of people saying "You get what you pay for". That phrase really doesn't apply to large scale gas aircraft, IMHO." Well that's your opinion, but IMHO you are wrong. Lots of the planes out there fly well, but not many fly amazing.

Can you define "amazing"?

	Quote:
	Few actually travel overseas multiple times, do extensive testing, redesign, and more testing before releasing their products. I think there are a lot of ARF sellers who aren't even that great of pilot so what flies well for them wouldnt fly so well for someone who was a top notch pilot and knew what they were looking for.

Irrelevant. What counts is how the plane flies and how easily it goes together. How much work it took to get it that way is really of no interest to the customer. I've had planes that fly right off the board and others that took 3 or more prototypes to get them to fly the way they should. I've also had a couple that I simply gave up on.

Roger Penske is not a great race car driver, he depends on feedback from many experts to tell him what is needed in the car. He's done pretty well. One cannot do everything well.

It all looks the same to the buyer. Value=(quality+performance+service)/price. He doesn't care at all what was involved in getting to that point.

TF

[sinergy]

	Quote: Originally Posted by wildhare
	I take issue with saying their hardware is better. Titanium or composite pushrods, both do the job. Titanium is shinier, yes, but composite is just as strong and just as cool and the length is adjustable. WH hardware package includes ball links. Many people do not like glue-in fiberglass horns and prefer a steel stud which offers adjustability and is replaceable. WH make planes both ways, most people who get the glue-in horns ask if there isn't a screw-in alternative. So you are paying $200 for a pilot and panel, I'll include those for $30. And if you already have that stuff (as at least half of my customers do) you save $250 with a Wild Hare plane.

Ok sorry let me rephrase that, I personally felt the hardware kit was better quality.

The $200 also applies to the plane itself - if the planes were identical in size, design, build etc, then yes $200 for the extra stuff.

	Quote: Originally Posted by wildhare
	Can you define "amazing"?

Again.. bad wording, but there is a big difference on how they fly much like there is a difference on how a Carden flies vs (insert brand here).

	Quote: Originally Posted by wildhare
	Irrelevant. What counts is how the plane flies and how easily it goes together. How much work it took to get it that way is really of no interest to the customer. I've had planes that fly right off the board and others that took 3 or more prototypes to get them to fly the way they should. I've also had a couple that I simply gave up on. Roger Penske is not a great race car driver, he depends on feedback from many experts to tell him what is needed in the car. He's done pretty well. One cannot do everything well. It all looks the same to the buyer. Value=(quality+performance+service)/price. He doesn't care at all what was involved in getting to that point. TF

I am sorry I dont feel it to be irrelevant what so ever. In EF's case the planes fly well BECAUSE Chris is a very good pilot, he travels there to test, rework the designs, and fly the heck out the planes before the public gets them. Some even make it into a wind tunnel once or twice.

This is worth something to me personally.



I am not knocking WH planes by any means.. I have owned the older Giles, Cap, Yak, and the Edge. I have also flown the older extra, the new one, the 85" sukoi, and the 35% Extra prototype. I think I have a pretty good idea what they are all about.

Good planes no doubt.

However a BMW and Chev both have 4 wheels and a bunch of steal.. they don't drive the same. I feel for the extra money you are getting a better flying plane.


My personal feeling is that EF, AW, and QQ are on top of the ARF world right now as far as quality and performance that is all I am saying.



edit: I don't want anyone to misread what is being said here - there are 4 WH planes at our field because I recommended them, the above post is not knocking WH by any means. I just don't think comparing them to what I was talking about is apples to apples that is all.

Fly what fits in your budget and you what you like period - These are forums and my opinion and that's the point of the site.

[danielph]

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[Show871]

Man the reality is you are really not gonna get a great answer on this because everyone cheers for what they like best. I was in your shoes, and found the best way is to just try to gather as much research you can on each plane, and make the choice for yourself. Everyone has priorites across the board, so weigh yours out and pull the trigger. Call-email the companies up and talk to them on the phone. You may find you really dont like the attitude of some. That will eliminate a few. Look at quality, a few more gone......value, a few more gone.....performance and rep, more gone. Then pick the one you like most and you will be happy with your choice. One to check out is Pilot. The previous statements, Pilot was the standout for me. I am a picky picky picky guy and I have never been happier with a purchase than my Pilot 100cc 260. Good luck.....871

[BR289]

	Quote: Originally Posted by landon
	MagicHand 35% Yak (103") is $599 with hardware. Abell RC (102" )Edge is $749.99 with hardware. Also the QQ Yak(101"} is $649.99 with no hardware. WH Edge $799 with no hardware. All of these planes are very good quality and very good flyers. So you do the math and choose which ever appeals to you the most. I also know where you can get a brand new DL100 for $617 shipped.

The Extreme Flight and Hangar 9 versions are not any better than any of the other planes to justify the extra money they charge for them . IMHO.

Yea, Right...

[BTerry]

I agree with you on the H9 plane, it is a very nice plane that flies very well, but has just priced itself completely out of the market.

[clankford]

I agree with everyone here. The best plane is the one you like. It's a good thing everyone does not agree on the best 100cc plane or there would only be one to choose from. My problem is that I want them all!

I am a cheapskate so I weigh price heavily. I could afford the high dollar planes if I want but I prefer to take a risk on the cheaper ones first and have more money to spend on my other hobbies. If price is important to you give the Richmodel 100cc Extra 260 a look. They are available for $475. I had one and it was good quality and flew very well. It is basically a copy of the Aeroworks 260. I had a QQ Gen II 102" yak and it was good also, but no better than the Richmodel to me.

If price is no object the EF 110" would be at the top of my wishlist. I can't speak about how it flies but the sheer size is so cool. It is significantly larger than my 102" planes were. I want one terribly bad but I just can't make up my mind whether to get it or get another Richmodel for less than 1/2 the price.

[littlecrankshaft]

I have owned most of the brands and have probably flown the rest. To date, the models I have had the most fun with is the Wildhare planes. The pocket hinges are an awesome innovation. The 105" 260 seems to be a must have. At the present time I have Two Carden 40%s, Composite's 40% ARFs including 3.3 Yak, Extreme flight products, Hanger Nine, SD, Model aviation, Chip Hyde(sp) etc... Yes, I know the planes...you can't beat a Wildhare. I would recommend one without hesitation.