2009 Sportsman Advice please

[rcalbuquerque]

Hello all
I have been practicing the 2009 Sportsman Sequence...I'm doing ok on most of it but when I get to #3"inside-outside loop with half roll on top" pull and do half inside loop, do half roll across top of loop, push half outside loop exit inverted. I'm struggling with the top of the loop ...I could use some tips on control inputs .
Thanks
Lou

[Huckeneer]

First off, How big are you flying the loop? Sometimes people tend to fly their figures too small and rush the whole sequense. Most likely you are over thinking the loop and putting rudder imputs like you would when you do a roll. People get in the habbit of using rudder in a roll to keep your altitude on a level line. I think you will actually find that you will not need much of any cross controlling in the loop. If you do the roll on the top of the loop and do no rudder inputs the plane should want to come down due to gravity within the loops curve. Make sense? So just try making the loop kind of big, and not putting much of if any rudder on the top when you roll.

Hope this helps,
Jamie

[landon]

Dont do your whole roll, whether its a half or full, all at the top (apex) of the loop. It should start at 2 o'clock and end at 10 o'clock, or vice versa, depending on which way you are going.
IMAC rules state that if you do, its a automatic 2 point deduction. However, a lot of the guys that judge dont know that and/or dont score it correctly. I highly recommend a IMAC school if there is one in your area. They are very helpful.

[Aerobat]

Where in the rules does it state that the roll must be between 10 and 2?

If
there is a rolling element (roll, point rolls or
snap) at the apex of the loop, it must be centered
in the loop and flown on the arc of the loop itself
(Fig. 36). Flying the roll on a line at the apex of
the loop is at least a two (2) point downgrade. If
the roll is not centered, it must be downgraded .5
point for every five (5) degrees that it is off

center.

[Plane Wrappers]

Never heard of the the 10 and 2 thing.
Try a couple things,......
Start you roll just before the apex of the loop, Keep power ON through the rolling element and use a LITTLE opposite direction rudder as the roll to keep the radius.

[Hammerman]

I have always flown the roll in figures like this across the top from 10-2 or 2-10 thinking that the hash mark indicate that the roll was integrated into the loop. I would like to know how it is to flown.

[Judge]

There is no such "10 & 2" requirement. All that matters is the roll is centered on the apex. Think of the apex as 12 o'clock. The roll needs to have just as much segment before noon as after noon. And it needs to be flown on the radius of the loop. You can do it from 11 to 1, 10 to 2, 10:30 to 1:30, whatever. Center it and do it on the radius of the loop.

[kwilson]

I find it best to reduce power coming into the rolling portion of the loop and let the nose naturally fall through the roll with no rudder input. But like a previous post pointed out, you need to make the loop fairly large. If your plane is neutral or slightly tail heavy, you may need to bump rudder in the direction of the roll accross the top to force it to fall.

And remember...its 12 o'clock somewhere

[rcalbuquerque]

I appreciate all feedback .One more question regarding #1 "Teardrop" Pull to vertical up line, do half roll on that line, pull 5/8 inside loop to 45° down line, do one pos. snap on that line, pull to level flight exit upright.Should the snap be centered on the 45* down line?
I agree that IMAC school is what I need ..................where in the SW would I find this school?

[FENWAYFLYER]

There is a 09 video floating around that Wayne made a while back. I would look for that it will answer all your question.

[FENWAYFLYER]

Here is the link.Hope it helps.



http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/f...nce-video.html

[STLAV8R]

What do the hash marks on the loop figure at 10:00 and 2:00 indicate?

[wmat7039]

	Quote: Originally Posted by rcalbuquerque
	I appreciate all feedback .One more question regarding #1 "Teardrop" Pull to vertical up line, do half roll on that line, pull 5/8 inside loop to 45° down line, do one pos. snap on that line, pull to level flight exit upright.Should the snap be centered on the 45* down line? I agree that IMAC school is what I need ..................where in the SW would I find this school?

OK Guys.... I'm going to break "protocol" here & give you a VERY small taste of what's coming on the new IMAC website. This is a project that was worked on by Ed Kincer (IMAC Rules Committee), Gary Hunt (Professional Art Director) & myself. This is going to be avaliable ONLY to IMAC members on the IMAC site.... so MAKE SURE that you have signed up & you are a current member to be able to take advantage of the new website. It will be going live soon!!! And an announcement will be made by our President, Don Hamilton.

To answer your question, take a look at the slide with the maneuver in question. It is very important that you do attend an IMAC Judging School. Your Regional Director in the SW, Tim Attaway , will be conducting a mini-seminar at the AMA Convention this weekend. At this time, I'm not sure of what Judging Schools are planned in the SW, but it will be listed on the IMAC site.
Wayne
IMAC Secretary

[rcalbuquerque]

Thanks Wayne... that slide is great!

[JimC-MD]

	Quote: Originally Posted by STLAV8R
	What do the hash marks on the loop figure at 10:00 and 2:00 indicate?

They are an indication of the amount of TIME required for some pilots to fly the maneuver in an effort to hide corrections and make the judge forget what figure he/she was looking at.

All kidding aside, it is only to show that the event should be centered at the apex.