pilot rc Yak vs extreme Yak

[cjcyclesrc]

	Quote: Originally Posted by cyclone
	I have a carden 40 % extra 260 and 2 AW 33% Extras. I love the Yak and I am looking for a plane that will be 100% 3D FUN. I have a ultimate by BME set up with a 3w 106 and that is the motor I will be using. Selling the ultimate dont really like the plane as much gust my opinion. Thanks for all the input guys.

If you go for the EF 110", you won't regret it.

[T. Bob]

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	Yak with a DA170 on mufflers and it is 36.6lb RTF

What did you do for weight savings?

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	old EF yaks down to 15.5 lb with a DA50

I agree the first ones were light.

But to get one a pound lighter with a heavier motor is just a deception

[The_Wreck]

	Quote: Originally Posted by T. Bob
	What did you do for weight savings?

I agree with you about getting one that light with a heavier motor is nonsense. IMO EF Yaks are built light, if you look inside there is not much you can do to make them lighter. They are physically much bigger than other 50cc Yaks. They are much bigger than SD/Pilot Yaks. I guess if you were really dilligent about weight savings you could go hacking out the can tunnel and use stock muffler, no spinner, no wheel pants, and really light batteries.

On my 37.5% Pilot, I use only one servo per elevator half, two on the rudder, two on each wing. All Futaba 9157 servos. No spinner, No wheel pants.

I am using a powerbox, and SWB Tray which adds some weight, however, I am using lightweight Li-Po batteries. Thunder Power Pro-lites, 2x4000 on Radio and a Li-ion Fromeco 2600 on the ignition. Total Battery weight 15 ounces. I could go with 2x2000 and save 6 more ounces, but wanted the fly all day capacity. I do have the Carbon version of the Yak

http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/f...om-scheme.html

[JoeAirPort]

So can Pilot RC Yak owners talk about how it actually flies in comparison to the EF Yak? The weight thing is pretty clear now.

[Show871]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JoeAirPort
	So can Pilot RC Yak owners talk about how it actually flies in comparison to the EF Yak? The weight thing is pretty clear now.

Yea the weight difference is huge, but so is the size! the ef yak looks like a 33%. It almost looks BIGGER than my 33% SD! I am not anticipating the pilot to fly as good, based on shear size, wing area, and the reputation of EF. But in my case I dont want a huge plane! I have a 100cc for that! I want an easy to tranport, 50cc class, Fly whenever(when the sky is packed with goons), quality plane with a ton of power that flys good.

Oh yea, and Pilot has them shipped to your door, DL50 or MT57 for $999. Thats a good delio!

871

[crazyjoe]

	Quote: Originally Posted by T. Bob
	I just don't believe peoples weights. I had a TOC and it came in at 18 lbs. It was a great lookin and great flying plane. I know the first EFs were coming in at 16 (+-) so when someone I don't know says 14 lbs my first thoughts are they live in an area on this earth that gravity is somehow distorted or they are lying. Oh and my D/A 100 spins a 28 x 10 @ 7500 Get the EF Yak or I likie the 300

Although being very similar the pilot rc planes are coming out lighter than the toc planes based on the builds I have read. As far as which plane I think it would be cool to design your own custom scheme pilot rc. Or you could just flip a coin and I'm sure you would be happy.

[JoeAirPort]

Show, I'm just really curious how they fly. No question that was a killer deal you got. I would have chosen the DL.

[Show871]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JoeAirPort
	Show, I'm just really curious how they fly. No question that was a killer deal you got. I would have chosen the DL.

Hey JAP, I will let you know at the least how the pilot flies soon.....and I will get some weights on an accurate digi scale! You had me sold on the EF.....but then when I considered what it would take to get it to have good 3d power at my alt, and talked to some that have had these new pilot yaks coming in so lite, they made a little more sense for my situation. Your new yak looks great, thats sweet you are getting such good performance from the DL! I thought I would mention that deal pilot has goin right now for others in the market, some serious bang for the buck....871

[JoeAirPort]

Yeah I don't blame ya at all. At 5000 ft you want the 4 pounds less, no question. Did you mention what engine you'll use? Is it the DL-50 with that combo? The DL yanks my 17#, 12 oz Yak around effortlessly. I was amazed. Just the stock muffler.

[MikeC3D]

	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Wreck;700981On my 37.5% Pilot, I use only one servo per elevator half, two on the rudder, two on each wing. All Futaba 9157 servos. No spinner, No wheel pants. , I am using lightweight Li-Po batteries. Thunder Power Pro-lites, 2x4000 on Radio and a Li-ion Fromeco 2600 on the ignition. Total Battery weight 15 ounces. I could go with 2x2000 and save 6 more ounces, but wanted the fly all day capacity. I do have the Carbon version of the Yak [URL
	http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg69/39074-pilot-rc-37-5-yak-custom-scheme.html[/URL]

hey wreck, Im using flight power 2500mah and can fly allday 6-8 flights on my 40% with same # of servos only 9156's. You should be good for a whole weekend of flying...lol

[The_Wreck]

I have the 2000s I haven't gotten in many flights to check my amp draw, but I may switch them. The 2000s are 3oz each.

[pepatrick]

Anyone who says their EF Extra is 14 pounds is full of it. There is no way. However it can be below 17 pounds if everything is simplified. Everyone that has a weight hang up needs to get over it. I have seen 18 pound 50cc planes that fly better than a 15 pound 50cc plane. There are so many more factors that determine how well a plane flies. EF planes are tough to beat. Im sure Pilot-RC is tough to beat too, but at some point the light weight will cause the plane to lose integrity and come apart. For the guys at higher altitude, drop a tuned pipe 50cc engine and it will help with the high altitude issues.

[cjcyclesrc]

	Quote: Originally Posted by pepatrick
	Anyone who says their EF Extra is 14 pounds is full of it. There is no way. However it can be below 17 pounds if everything is simplified. Everyone that has a weight hang up needs to get over it. I have seen 18 pound 50cc planes that fly better than a 15 pound 50cc plane. There are so many more factors that determine how well a plane flies. EF planes are tough to beat. Im sure Pilot-RC is tough to beat too, but at some point the light weight will cause the plane to lose integrity and come apart. For the guys at higher altitude, drop a tuned pipe 50cc engine and it will help with the high altitude issues.

I can tell you my 19lb. EF Extra flyies better than the 15lb. 87" Yak I used to have. Harriers are much better. I'm not doubting some of the San Antonio boys couldn't get one down to 14lbs.

[T. Bob]

pepatrick

Very well put.

These kids get so hung up on weight and the "newest" plane on the market.
It's just another ARF.
Granted customizing your own ARF is a novel idea it doesn't make it fly better. I personally have owned or flown just about every ARF and from my personal experience you can never go wrong with a Extreme Flight.

cjcyclesrc

I agree with you. I had a toc/tt/whatever at 18 lbs and it flew very well.