dle 111 bad reeds out the box?

[tr0cks]

anyone having idling problems? idles then cuts out .

[tr0cks]

http://gallery.me.com/mactonite#1000...&bgcolor=black

[Scags]

same here. Mine idles for for a few seconds then dies.

[Scags]

however my reeds don't appear to be damaged in anyway

[vsnap]

Took me about 4 gallons to get the idle to work almost to the point I trust it. Now at 6 gallons and running 80:1 Amzoil the idle is getting better but still surges.

[tr0cks]

i received a new reed cage under warranty, installed it and seemed to stay on for a longer period of time but sometimes quits only while idling, still scratching my head weather i could trust it.

[vsnap]

	Quote: Originally Posted by tr0cks
	i received a new reed cage under warranty, installed it and seemed to stay on for a longer period of time but sometimes quits only while idling, still scratching my head weather i could trust it.

Keep the idle up while flying, trim down when landing. My idle will stay while flying, once on the ground I have to pop the throttle or it will quit. I am landing on grass so it is not bad, if I land on asphalt I will be walking.
Pulls great but not very trustworthy on the low-end. I am looking into a new carb (walbro) for mine and give that a try. I have a hard time getting it to prime on start up, otherwise I keep my fingers crossed.

[wallygator]

	Quote: Originally Posted by tr0cks
	http://gallery.me.com/mactonite#1000...&bgcolor=black

Looks kinda familiar don't it ???

[dav940]

my dle 111 idled fine right out of the box never had a problem with it untill the metal shavings from production wore out the motor after 8 gallons of fuel.That being said you might want to pull the motor a part and check for shavings before its to late.Had it not been for that this motor is a great motor and turned a 28x10 carbon prop at 6450 and gaining until the shavings got it.

[vsnap]

Hmmm that is funny. Any pics of the engine? We swapped carbs completely on mine and it finally ran fine with the exchanged one. We also has some reeds coming apart when we were checking things. Mine finally came apart internally and tore up both cylinders and pistons. Here are the pics of the reeds and engine.

[vsnap]

Now the reply from DL engines and the oversea dealer.

We have the news from DL company. we will compensate the carburetor and REED VALVE & INSULATOR to you. Upon other problems(you showed me the second time), they are really normal wear and tear after about 3 months' using, right? But we will send a cylinder to you for backup, is it good for you? If you find it ok, DL company will send them to us together with our next order of DLE55, DLE111 or DLE30 engines.

So from this estimate of wear and tear expect approx 10-15 gallons of usage before internal engine problems occur. I am being a bit sarcastic but when a dealer request you to handle a line and you do some testing this is not the product support you are looking for. This was an oversea dealer.

SUPPORT YOUR U.S. DEALER they are the ones that will take care of you on their dime.

[danielgpr]

I have never seen reeds cause that kind of damage. Lost several reeds thru the years on jetski motors,which operate the same maner as our rc engines. That is damage from metal not fiberglass. Check your crank bearings as one of the rollers is probably to blame

[danielgpr]

This type of reed damage will not cause running problem until the area that seals them is frayed. I've had them that look way worse and still run fine.
Buddy of mine got his 111 going before mine, was trouble to get running until working out carb settings. Also changes to NGK CM-6 before even running it, broke in using manufacure's specs of lawnboy 32:1. the motor runs better every time flown and still being broken in.

[Tired Old Man]

Better still, check the wrist pin bearings. Those are the ones small enough when they get loose to make it to the top of a piston. Wrist pin circlip ends as well.

We all seem to want the most powerful, least expensive engines we can find. In some ways the Chinese meet those requirements well. However...in doing this for us we lose track of the Chinese business model and substitute our own product ideals, forgetting that the two are nowhere close to the same.

To get cheap, components and labor have to be cheap. They may meet minimally acceptable standards in some cultures, but be well below standards in others. The manufacturer is in business in some areas of the world to turn an immediate profit with little regard for the long term. This is where people buying direct from a Chinese direct distributor shoot themselves in the foot. The Chinese direct distributor is under no obligation to porovide warranty service. In some cases, neither is the manufacturer. Of the manufactures that do hold themselves to some form of warranty standard, what they view as "covered" is frequently quite different from what we consider standard. Of importance is that some of what we have done as "warranty" work is done for free and out of pocket as a promotional courtesy by American distributors, and not true warranty work at all.

The point of the above is to illustrate how buying direct from a Chinese distributor can be exactly the wrong thing to do if you are trying to obtain the least expensive product possible. The Ameican distributors are the ones providing the warranty work, and in many cases going well beyond what the manufacturer will reimburse for. The slightly higher price the American distributor is charging goes towards covering the cost of the services and components that the manufacturer will not cover. Also important to note is that some of the Chinese manufacturers don't reimburse for warranty work at all. They just wholesale for a lower price and let the distributors eat the entire cost of warranty repairs.

We pretty much get what we pay for, and if we're not willing to pay for it, we won't get much of product. As the price falls something was traded off to lower the price. If people want to save a few bucks up front, by all means buy China manufacturer direct, but be prepared to buy twice or three times when things break. We can be our own worst enemy when we fail to consider the possible results of our own decisions and actions.

[danielgpr]

Tired Old Man,
I doubt that due to both cylinders being damaged- needle bearing would have to go down into crankcase from one cyl and thru to other cylinder, More likely it was in crankcase and then went thru transfer ports to each cyl. But without closer inspection all is hearsay, or at least until engine is tore down and oics are posted. JMO