Rolling in the same direction as your turning

[marcwv]

I can do rolling cicles and roll straight. Can't seem to get rolling to the inside of the circle without diving. Some pointer please.
Thanks , Marc

[Flatlandman]

100 hours more sim time doing inside rollers and you'll be right were you want to be.

[robertp17]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Flatlandman
	100 hours more sim time doing inside rollers and you'll be right were you want to be.

Lol funny post however I would suggest that ytou need to get off of your elevator a little sooner when you first start your roll. You wil start throwing some rudder in but you need to get off of it early enough as well or you will start to dive. It all about having a smooth and timed transition from one input to the next. I think that most have a harder time with inside rollers as opposed to outside. Keep at it and you will get it. Good luck

[bodywerks]

You are getting behind the plane. Every input you are putting is slightly late. speed it up.

[rdgood]

Pretty much what Bodywerks said.

Sounds like your late on the elev and not enough rudder.
Try maybe slowing down the rotation speed also just a bit

Try watching the forward part of the plane during the maneuver.

Seriously put in about another week of sim time every night like religion - SERIOUSLY.

You must think/respond ahead of the airplane.

Ronster

[nate428]

if its diving your timing is possibly off or you are making too tight of a turn. anytime its a tight turn like a rolling harrier i do allow for some cross feeding of the elv/rud. this makes the turn with one surface and keeps the nose up with the other. this and rolling spins (kinda like a falling flat spin) are the only time i let myself sink in on both elv/rud otherwise feeding in both can cause bad effects.

[Sired by Fire]

i taught myself by putting the sim at 60% physics, and concentrating on separating my inputs, by inputting rudder extremely late.(could be ele for you, whatever works) and just keep bumping up the physics. i fell into a pattern where i was throwing the inputs at the same time(inputting rudder and ele at the same time) and relying solely on timing to roll straight or outside. which wasn't very axial. learn to separate those inputs and inside, outside, loops and basically steering will become second nature.

[JoeAirPort]

It's all practice. Go get 5 gallons of gas, it'll come. I have the same problem with rolling harrier circles. I can turn left since I always roll right. I can also go straight ok (not great). But turning right is very tough. I also need about 5-10 gallons of gas to practice this. Then rolling the other way....practice practice practice. The sim is a good idea. It's easy to crash doing these at first.

[bodywerks]

True that - practice is key, and I mean REAL practice, not sim practice. I have a total of about 15 minutes of sim time. While it is nice to have the space bar and may teach some general stuff, it's not the real thing. It's just like astronauts that simulate repairs in a swimming pool; it teaches them a few things, but it's still not the real deal.

[smokin]

the sims are great for the initial "understanding" but they are certainly different than the "real" thing. you already understand the necessry inputs, do what the guys are saying and buy some stock in amoco, get to the field and burn it up!
good luck, you'll get it!

[danielph]

If you are turning into the roll, the stick movements are just a hair late. Just practice, practice, practice, and try to fly ahead of the plane. Have fun! :-)

[Rbyrd]

I would recomend slowing the plane down. Then lead with rudder. The trick is to get the nose move.

Rick

[Mithrandir]

I fly mode 1... what I did is I set the throttle to 50% power, timmed the ailerons hard over left or right roll... like one roll every 5 seconds... and then just worked the elevator and rudder.. learned to do circles, loops, figure 8's, vertical 8's, horizontal 8's... just learn to stear the plane around with a constant slow roll rate... as you get better.. speed up the roll rate...

Maybe doing a little practice in chase mode as well...

using this technique, I can do slow rollers or fast harrier rolls thru most
any track you can think of...

[paintball_kidz]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Mithrandir
	I fly mode 1... what I did is I set the throttle to 50% power, timmed the ailerons hard over left or right roll... like one roll every 5 seconds... and then just worked the elevator and rudder.. learned to do circles, loops, figure 8's, vertical 8's, horizontal 8's... just learn to stear the plane around with a constant slow roll rate... as you get better.. speed up the roll rate... Maybe doing a little practice in chase mode as well... using this technique, I can do slow rollers or fast harrier rolls thru most any track you can think of...

ditto im still learning rolling loops and others with low rates on ailerons

[1bwana1]

Mode 1 makes rollers much easier, just stir the sticks.