40% Turbo Laser (scratch built)

[Cracky]

Roger, I have followed a couple of your threads hoping to learn something and I along with others were just trying to get a better understanding of the benefits of trying alternative methods versus the normal thinking. With such a radical approach with multi-thousand dollar airplanes I think guys were just wanting to see what kind of performance they should expect with using the boost tabs. My personal (uneducated) opinion that that they should work with general aerobatics but I am finding it hard to believe that they will work when there is less airflow over the surfaces like in a hover or other low speed maneuvers. So instead of people going out and risking a $5000 toy airplane they just wanted some reassurance other than some guy saying "Trust Me". That is where the requests for videos came from. There are some 'haters' in every group but I do believe that there are a lot of people that are interested in the setup even if they wouldn't do it to one of their airplanes.

[forgues research]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Cracky
	Roger, I have followed a couple of your threads hoping to learn something and I along with others were just trying to get a better understanding of the benefits of trying alternative methods versus the normal thinking. With such a radical approach with multi-thousand dollar airplanes I think guys were just wanting to see what kind of performance they should expect with using the boost tabs. My personal (uneducated) opinion that that they should work with general aerobatics but I am finding it hard to believe that they will work when there is less airflow over the surfaces like in a hover or other low speed maneuvers. So instead of people going out and risking a $5000 toy airplane they just wanted some reassurance other than some guy saying "Trust Me". That is where the requests for videos came from. There are some 'haters' in every group but I do believe that there are a lot of people that are interested in the setup even if they wouldn't do it to one of their airplanes.

I understand what you are saying, but the fact of the matter is simple, why didn't you guys step in when it was time? Here I am trying to help out the best I could but those that really wanted to see this thread shut down , didn't allow me to do this properly.
As for boost tabs, I started this by request from one of the moderators, it was not a thread to either use them or not but rather to help people understand more, and guess what people just came back with those stupid negative things saying don't use them, well the thread was not about that, you guys should step in when something like this happens.

To your question, boost tabs in my thread were not aimed at 3D , but the fact of the matter they would still work in the 3D format at full deflection. Air is air from the prop blast.

I have poven this to myself with my Yak with no rudder servo except the tiny boost tab servo. and I had perfect tail wheel control on the ground taxiing with prop blast alone.

Anyway enough of boost tabs, I will continue doing what I do best and let these guys stew in there own juices of negativeness, which is obvious to me they have never built airplane except an arf, and even more so, have no clue on aerodynamics..

Roger

[Cracky]

	Quote: Originally Posted by forgues research
	but rather to help people understand more

People were asking all over the place for you to show how well they work so that they can better understand the benefits and effectiveness of them. That is why the thread didn't shut down sooner. You, yourself was saying that you wanted to help people to understand them.

It would be kinda like someone in drag racing saying that they can run 10's in a stock civic then then telling people to trust that it is possible.

[forgues research]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Cracky
	People were asking all over the place for you to show how well they work so that they can better understand the benefits and effectiveness of them. That is why the thread didn't shut down sooner. You, yourself was saying that you wanted to help people to understand them. It would be kinda like someone in drag racing saying that they can run 10's in a stock civic then then telling people to trust that it is possible.

Cracky, did you read the thread at all, , go back and read,

I didn't invent this I don't need to prove anything to anyone, this has been invented in the late 40's

[SmoothFlying]

Well we werent here in the 40's. We wanted to see you make a video of what you did. Everyone else on here that does something new and intuitive produces a video. You dont so thats why everyone is in disbelief! Until we see how they work in live function we feel you are wishy washy. Dont cry over it.

[greg e]

Roger the only thing I was asking is why chance hurting yourself or someone else with low torque servos on such a large plane and weight. I am tottaly sure your boost tabs work but why come in here and tell people how awsome they are and let someone who does not understand what will happen if they use in your words ( these low torque servos work for me ) approach that is not safe in any kind of way. So if you feel everyone is picking on you and now you have to stop talking on this thread because someone made you stick your lip out and say poor me everyone is picking on me JUST get over it man and move on with your thread and if someone ask lets see the pics and vids just show them and they will leave you alone. Remember your threads are worthless with out pics or vids just my two cents. Have a nice day

[Cracky]

	Quote: Originally Posted by forgues research
	I didn't invent this I don't need to prove anything to anyone, this has been invented in the late 40's

Why do you get so defensive after some simple questions after you say that you are wanting to help people understand a subject that hasn't caught on in mainstream RC?

Another thing....where was RC in the late 40's?

[forgues research]

I can't beleive it , these guys are following me. Forget guys I have had enough, go fly your high torque airplanes and leave this alone.

Roger and out

[Cracky]

thats funny....

[greg e]

Cracky it's like you said he post about this but can not back it up and that is why he says he does not have to prove anything to anyone well I say if you talk about something here you better be ready to back it up. There is no way I would ever think about using just a hitec mini servo that is used on a small electric to move my rudder on a plane of that size or weight. Mine will at least have metal gear's and 1 8711 or 2 of them and if I need more holding power then I might add a tab if it's needed. Oh well I better go chase some woman now don't want old roger doger crying anymore about us following him here lmfao.

[Cracky]

I'm not trying to run Roger or anyone else off, just trying to see why he is afraid of showing proof of function in an RC application.

[danielgpr]

Roger, seems as though it has been pointed out many times prior on the other thread and now this one that we want to see THE BOOST TABS THAT YOU DIDN'T INVENT worked! Apparently you are so "DENSE' that you are not getting it. Some one with more knowledge than you invented the back in the 40's as you say, we just wanted visuals of them at work on Rc airplanes THAT you do boast about. Sorry that you are getting feeling hurt but "show us the proof baby" and then we will all see how good they do/don't work instead of just word!
just my 02cents and I will have no more about it.
Dan

[forgues research]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Cracky
	I'm not trying to run Roger or anyone else off, just trying to see why he is afraid of showing proof of function in an RC application.

Look Cracky, I am not affraid of anything beleive , why can't any of you guys understand that this is not an invention of mine , I'm trying to sell anything.

I know it works because I use it. and if you go back to the original thread you would see that many people use it and it works for anyone who has ever tried it.

Also you could have read on the laser thread I tried to get videos but I don't have the proper equipment
if it was for anyone really and honestly interested in this I would make more effort but these guys have absolutely no interested except ranting ... so there you are,

I plan on making a video as soon as I can find a good video camera but I will only send it to anyone really interested

[danielgpr]

Roger,
I don't understand, you have turbo prop aircraft, 52% 20,000 dollar something or other and you use plastic gear 77 oz servos and you don't have the means for picures or video?

"NOW THAT'S PRICELESS"
Dan

[Cracky]

Well best wishes to you and please be safe. Looking forward to seeing it perform when you locate someone who can video it for you.