F3M - To Be or Not To Be

[300sflyer]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Judge
	The more interesting question is what contest board the rules proposals would go to in order to get them into the AMA rule book. The Scale Aerobatics Contest Board or the Aerobatics Contest Board??

Since the IMAC BOD clearly stated they wanted nothing to do with F3M, the answer seems obvious. I can't imagine the SACB would want anything to do with F3M rules either.

[Judge]

The question is, who determines what contest board you have to go through. I suspect that Greg Hahn, AMA Competitions and Technical Director will be the one to make that call.

[derek.koopowitz]

In order to build up this class properly, I think the only way to do it is to have a SIG which will have feeder classes (schedules) using the same rules as F3M and this may mean becoming a part of the rules cycle through AMA.

[300sflyer]

	Quote: Originally Posted by derek.koopowitz
	In order to build up this class properly, I think the only way to do it is to have a SIG which will have feeder classes (schedules) using the same rules as F3M and this may mean becoming a part of the rules cycle through AMA.

Not that I have any say in the matter being from Canada, but that makes sense to me.

[300sflyer]

Looks like parts of Europe are flying additional lower classes. It would be pretty hard to offer these classes at any existing Pattern or IMAC contest. There simply would not be enough time during a two day weekend contest.

http://www.belairmodels.be/sport/sections/F3M/schedules

[Fixed Wing]

The poll for this thread seems to be flawed as it only gives choices which result in development of F3M. However, the title of the thread says "F3M - To Be or Not To Be" which is inconsistent with the poll. If there was a choice to not have F3M I would vote for that but there is not. As a result I haven't voted. I assume there are many others that might feel the same so I doubt you are getting an accurate data set on whether fliers would really support F3M.

[rcplanefan]

I guess I'm not sure what the goal is here, so perhaps someone can explain. It seems that some people want to see F3M as a different, stand-alone contest with feeder classes. Is this correct? If so, what will attract pilots to these events? The possibility of flying in an international competition? This seems like it will probably detract from attendance at local pattern and IMAC events.

Can someone clarify? Not sure I get where this is going.

As for the IMAC BoD not being a democracy, I'm afraid I don't follow this logic. They are elected officials who represent the best interests of their constituents as best they know how. They don't have to ask for a member vote for everything they do - if this were the case, there would be no need for a BoD, and nothing would ever be accomplished. You may not always agree with what they decide. But I truly believe they are making decisions based on what they think is best for the organization. There will always be a very vocal few who disagree - and a rather large, silent majority who agree.

Ken

[300sflyer]

	Quote: Originally Posted by rcplanefan
	I guess I'm not sure what the goal is here, so perhaps someone can explain. It seems that some people want to see F3M as a different, stand-alone contest with feeder classes. Is this correct? If so, what will attract pilots to these events? The possibility of flying in an international competition? This seems like it will probably detract from attendance at local pattern and IMAC events. Can someone clarify? Not sure I get where this is going. As for the IMAC BoD not being a democracy, I'm afraid I don't follow this logic. They are elected officials who represent the best interests of their constituents as best they know how. They don't have to ask for a member vote for everything they do - if this were the case, there would be no need for a BoD, and nothing would ever be accomplished. You may not always agree with what they decide. But I truly believe they are making decisions based on what they think is best for the organization. There will always be a very vocal few who disagree - and a rather large, silent majority who agree. Ken

Perhaps this post by Jim Woodward in the link below, will help you better understand Ken. Post # 134.

http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/f...m-imac-12.html

[exeter_acres]

You funny!

[Judge]

	Quote: Originally Posted by derek.koopowitz
	In order to build up this class properly, I think the only way to do it is to have a SIG which will have feeder classes (schedules) using the same rules as F3M and this may mean becoming a part of the rules cycle through AMA.

I agree and this is what the informal poll in this thread seems to indicate most people think. But even if a new SIG is formed it does not automatically mean that they will have their own Contest Board. IMAC went through the existing Aerobatics Contest Board for a long time before getting its own Contest Board.

The trick will be regardless of what CB it goes to at first to get that Board to act in the interest of developing and Advancing model aviation rather than acting in the interest of any particular existing SIG.

[rcplanefan]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 300sflyer
	Perhaps this post by Jim Woodward in the link below, will help you better understand Ken. Post # 134. http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/f...m-imac-12.html

Perhaps not. I've read that post. It reads like a disgruntled IMAC member asking for the AMA to revoke IMAC's SIG status. Am I reading this incorrectly? You guys are very verbose until someone asks a direct question.

Ken

[DA2000]

A dream team in the making. Judge, Clemmons, and Alt for F3M BOD!

Count me in.

[300sflyer]

	Quote: Originally Posted by rcplanefan
	Perhaps not. I've read that post. It reads like a disgruntled IMAC member asking for the AMA to revoke IMAC's SIG status. Am I reading this incorrectly? You guys are very verbose until someone asks a direct question. Ken

The answers to your questions thus far, are all in the two threads Ken. All you have to do is read. Whether you will accept them or not is another matter.

[300sflyer]

	Quote: Originally Posted by DA2000
	A dream team in the making. Judge, Clemmons, and Alt for F3M BOD! Count me in.

The sarcasm here is thick enough to cut with a knife. Beyond that, it is not worthy of a response.

[300sflyer]

I'm off on a week's vacation with the family. Let's hope the posts are more productive during my absence.