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Old 11-06-2009, 11:21 AM
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" Kit price is still evolving but our goal is the $2k range. There are some really expensive components in this bugger so it is not going to be easy....." quote


Wood, Foam, & Fibre Glass? Did I miss something? Oh Carbon Main Gear.
You're absolutely right, same basic component as any other kit but size, quantity, tpye of the materials = $$$$'s. When you start adding up the difference between what we are doing for this bird vs. a standard 40% kit the spread gets big fast. Just a few of the things driving kit cost.....

1) 3rd party CNC Cut foam (same company that did Bob's prototype)
2) Basswood plywood (specialty order for us)
3) Hand selected balsa
4) A carbon fiber telephone pole for a wing tube
5) 1" carbon fiber stab tube
6) Carbon Fiber gear from the Space Shuttle
7) Huge amounts of laser time because of size and quantity of parts
8) Huge fiberglass cowl
9) Huge canopy
10) Wheel pants from a Cesna 150
11) Enough 1/16" balsa to skin two 40% kits
12) etc etc

Seems like everything we look at is $50-$200 more expensive then our standard 42% kits. We are constantly kicking around ideas on how to keep retail cost down. Just last night Bob and I discussed doing a milled out aluminum gear instead of the carbon fiber. That item alone would go a LONG way towards hitting our retail kit price goal. The challenge is keeping kit cost down w/o compromising performance by adding weight!!
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:26 AM
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Re: Ultra Light 55% Extra 260

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" Kit price is still evolving but our goal is the $2k range. There are some really expensive components in this bugger so it is not going to be easy....." quote


Wood, Foam, & Fibre Glass? Did I miss something? Oh Carbon Main Gear.

As Bob said, the carbon parts (gear, wing and stab tubes) for this beast will be well over $400 by themselves.

You are certainly correct about the wood, foam & fiberglass statement.... but you are forgetting that this kit requires twice the amounts of each of those products when compared to a 40% size kit. AND, we are using Basswood and Aircraft ply along with our lite ply and that is certainly expensive.

Going back to your question....Wood, Foam, & Fibre Glass? Did I miss something? ... Well, realilzing that these are the basic components of all kits, if you more than doubled the quantities of these items on a per kit basis, you would certainly assume the price to double, yes? and that is without regards to the addt'l carbon costs.

Anyway, we are absolutely confident that our customers will immediately realize upon opening these boxes up that the value far exceeds the dollar in this product!

The list of 1st run customers grows every day! we should have the first production run consist of 30+ units with no problem at all!!!!

We look forward to taking many orders on this beauty!!!!

Matt
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:28 AM
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sorry bout the "double post"!!! i didn't know kevin was already on this one! LOL
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:42 AM
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Re: Ultra Light 55% Extra 260

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You're absolutely right, same basic component as any other kit but size, quantity, tpye of the materials = $$$$'s. When you start adding up the difference between what we are doing for this bird vs. a standard 40% kit the spread gets big fast. Just a few of the things driving kit cost.....

1) 3rd party CNC Cut foam (same company that did Bob's prototype)
2) Basswood plywood (specialty order for us)
3) Hand selected balsa
4) A carbon fiber telephone pole for a wing tube
5) 1" carbon fiber stab tube
6) Carbon Fiber gear from the Space Shuttle
7) Huge amounts of laser time because of size and quantity of parts
8) Huge fiberglass cowl
9) Huge canopy
10) Wheel pants from a Cesna 150
11) Enough 1/16" balsa to skin two 40% kits
12) etc etc

Seems like everything we look at is $50-$200 more expensive then our standard 42% kits. We are constantly kicking around ideas on how to keep retail cost down. Just last night Bob and I discussed doing a milled out aluminum gear instead of the carbon fiber. That item alone would go a LONG way towards hitting our retail kit price goal. The challenge is keeping kit cost down w/o compromising performance by adding weight!!
So is the space shuttle comment saying that Graphtech makes parts for NASA?
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:52 AM
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So is the space shuttle comment saying that Graphtech makes parts for NASA?
I believe they also supply Lockheed the wheel pants for the F-117 and did a one-off carbon fiber spinner for the International Space Station

Nah, I was just saying that because of the amount of carbon fiber the cost is high....
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:06 PM
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We have already ordered boxes with Bob's face on them. The picture will be 4x life size!!

Thats what I'm talking about...
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:21 PM
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Almost as much as having a designer whom you trust enough that you start busting out the production prototypes before the hand built design unit has flown..... !

Jason
OK, the deal is off!!!

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Old 11-06-2009, 02:59 PM
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OK, the deal is off!!!

Bob
Eh, I think you've proven yourself....
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:44 PM
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OK, the master's are waxed, and have PVA sprayed on, all the cloth is cut, and I am finally ready to make the lay up blocks tomorrow morning.

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Old 11-06-2009, 08:11 PM
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OK, the master's are waxed, and have PVA sprayed on, all the cloth is cut, and I am finally ready to make the lay up blocks tomorrow morning.

Bob
SWEET!!!!!
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Old 11-07-2009, 07:16 AM
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Awesome!
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Old 11-07-2009, 09:00 PM
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looking great bob! it's all coming together!

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Old 11-08-2009, 05:40 AM
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Are you going to make cowl mold in 1 piece?
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:59 AM
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I cant wait to see on the mold work. I want to learn from the best guys.
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:06 PM
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This will be my favorite part !

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