Results of SSRCC meeting of September 14, 2009

[Father Don]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JimC-MD
	Father Don, I disagree that the immediate removal of the current board is required. The section you quoted is what MAY be required for reinstatement if the club charter is revoked. That revocation would have been triggered with an unfavorable response to the letters that Shane reposted. Catman, thanks for putting up the other documents. There it is clearly written that Andy has the ball along with the club. The club was to respond in writing within 14 days of the receipt of the letter with a plan to address the conditions. My question is has this letter been sent and does anyone have a copy of what was sent? 14 days have passed. That means there should be a known platform for moving forward that was accepted by the AMA as the letters are written. That the club has a plan to deal with the specific charges outlined in the letters and that the plan was accepted by AMA should be set by this point. Has the AMA backed away from the time line? Just because people were on the war path about how things can be changed in one meeting, I noticed a funny thing. The ban on 65cc and up was not done well the first time. It was thought that it should have been proposed and tabled until the next meeting to allow for all club members to read and comment. Then with full for-thought it could be voted on at the next meeting. Now it has been changed with the same "one night method" as in the past. No matter what happens, just be sure that everyone follows the bylaws to the letter. Not knocking the progress, there have been giant strides in the right direction. Just be sure the new club follows the rules. Those rules should be outlined well (in by laws) and only changed with a slow and deliberate process. Otherwise they will shift with every new board and no one will know what is right.

Oh believe me I know. But I had spoken with Andy on the telephone where he clarified that the word “may” was used because, even if the club executives did step down and a new board was put in place, the AMA would still not guaranty reinstatement of the club’s charter. In other words, these are the things that you need to do for us to consider the continuance of the AMA charter. If you do it right and you put in leadership that has proven their integrity to lead without selfish interests, you should be good to go!!

He is leaving it up to the club to make the right decision for the best interests of its members while also setting a precedent that no hateful discriminatory speech within clubs will be tolerated by the AMA.

Now that Catman has posted the AMA’s response, I guess that will speak for itself about how they feel.

[rudestar]

I'm with darpino! Give this junior weasel all the rope and stage he wants. he is rather cute and cunning in a carnival type setting. But just remember he is full of it just like is mentor billy boi. A true empty suit! With nothing to offer but smoke and mirrors. he could get most club members to eat chit and get them to say it was delicious! This is what makes him so valuable to the boss!

[Tex]

Yeeeaaaa........outstanding news......

[catman3070]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Baj
	Thank you chane that is your view sir.

Baj, He didn’t even give us the courtesy of a reach around why taking advantage of us. I wish I would have known about the bold face lie at the meeting. This is just another example of how well the lies have been allowed to take over this club. Maybe we can use the “TOILET PAPER” to clean up the mess after the officers are finished!

[rudestar]

	Quote: Originally Posted by catman3070
	Baj, He didn’t even give us the courtesy of a reach around why taking advantage of us. I wish I would have known about the bold face lie at the meeting. This is just another example of how well the lies have been allowed to take over this club. Maybe we can use the “TOILET PAPER” to clean up the mess after the officers are finished!

Club officers do not use toilet paper...they have underlings noses for that job (irving, gallagher & staples to name a few).

[Baj]

"Baj informed me that Chris told him that he had been in contact with the AMA and Dave Mathewson" I can't be sure if said Dave Mathewson, yes did say the rest.

[JimC-MD]

Father Don,

As far as I can tell, the current board did not meet the obligations that the AMA set out. I think you are correct in what needs to happen now. Tell Andy for me that the word "may" should not have been in that sentence, with all due respect. Also, that the steps could have been more clearly presented as to what was required. If the board was to be gone then that should have been the biggest item on the agenda for this last meeting. The emergency election of new officers. From what Chane posted the board has ignored the AMA and the club charter is or will be revoked. Now the club members need to step up and do what it takes to get the charter back. If the people involved will not fulfill the requirements then it is the duty of the club to remove them from the club, not just from office. Then the new board can take whatever steps on behalf of the club to satisfy the AMA.

Chane, it looks like this guy has stepped in it again, which may be why he is walking funny. My suggestion would be to look in the by laws for any rule that deals with officers that jeopardize the clubs future and how to deal with them. If there is anything there to allow the call for an "impeachment" then it needs to happen now. Find it and use the rules to make it happen. Just for sharing a personal experience with a local club. I asked for a copy of the by laws of our club and even the board members could not quickly produce them. "I think so and so has them" was a common reply. I did eventually get two copies THAT DID NOT AGREE! There was an item of contention that had to do with one of the sections that did not match, so I found that interesting. I then contacted the AMA and had them send me a copy of what was on file. They were able to do so. That copy was dated 2003. Since there was not a copy newer than that with any notations about changes made or dates, they are the laws of the club. That settled the disagreement. We also found that there were several areas that were poorly defined and some procedures without any definition at all. We have some work to do this fall when meetings resume. (we do not have regular club meetings during the main flying season to help reduce the amount of politicking and increase the flying. the board handles club business and safety and we handle club business in two or three meetings during the fall) Just wanted to show that club operations on some level are an issue in every club.

Baj, If it is a fact that after all that happened, Chris has lied to the members to further his own cause, then I have no interest in reading anything he has to say. He is answerable to you and the rest of the members and you need to hold him to it. I consider myself a pretty open minded guy, but I am not interested based on the FACTUAL letters that CHane has posted and the failure to follow clear guidance from the AMA on how to move forward. No offense intended to you, but you should have proceeded with the motion to ask for the current board to resign Monday night. I know you were trying to be diplomatic and that is not a bad thing, but in this case it appears to be unwarranted.

Good luck going forward.

edit CRAP! I keep mispelling CHANE.......... Where did that S come from. Sorry

[Baj]

He told me he had a police report in hand would I like to see it I said no that's fine. I was so upset that this had happened to him. After I got home I came to this site and posted how sorry I felt with an apology. Even went beyoud that and sent a nice e-mail to SSRCC board thanking for a good job at the meeting. Then sent nice e-mail to ex treasuer saying he should come back. never got a reply.

[JPHen]

I can't wait to see the police report. Was the intruder screaming "I am from Flying Giants!" - give me a break...

I would expect, after seeing Andy's response, that those current officers better withdraw their names immediately or you're going to see the charter revoked.

[Craven]

I'm with Chane. He doesn't deserve the respect of us after the lies we are uncovering.

[Baj]

how do we know are we sure there is no police report? he could have came on here and told us the truth.

[JPHen]

Baj, they keep working the margins, trying to wear down the membership bit-by-bit, giving a little each time, but not actually taking the action called for by the AMA. They'll try to drag this on, but it appears Andy and the AMA is having none of it. I would be happy to hear Mr. D'Arpino's side of the story AFTER he removes his name for running for office.

[JPHen]

Baj, forgive me for being critical. If it's true, it certainly deserves our attention and concern, but I'm having a problem with this persons credibility.

[catman3070]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JimC-MD
	edit CRAP! I keep mispelling CHANE.......... Where did that S come from. Sorry

Because it should be an "S". Somehow it ended up as a "C" to satisfy the spelling of my initials. Don't ask me I was born at the end of the 60's!

[Baj]

Please take note I did not read the post from Andy, before I posted the invitation. If I would have read it, the invitation would not have gone forth. As far as I am concerned anyone including the SSRCC president can openly join and post their view here. I am now withdrawing that invitation based on the AMA response. He can speak for himself if he so chooses. I will wait to see the report and ask for proof on what he had said to me.

1. He was going to sue Andy,
2. That the AMA had backed off on the point of current officers resigning.
3. That someone following the FG website had attacked him and was in police custody, that he had a police report.
4. That a club member had sued the club, Checked with all my team but none said that they sued the club, Dr. Williams I don’t think did. I know for a fact i did not, mmade that loud and clear many times.

I AM BLOWN AWAY.