Falling leaf manouver??

[Side-slip]

How do the top pilots do the manouver where they climb up to a reasonable altitude, go down vertically.. and then looks like a rolling harrier but whilst going constantly down making 'S' Shapes progressively down??

I can harrier roll and loop all day long, I've tried everything on the simulator and can't do it!

Thanks in advance.

[hpapilot]

If I'm thinking correctly of what you're describing, it's no different than a rolling circle at the basics. All rolling maneuvers really have the same inputs, just the timing varies. To do the very tight descending rolling circle/spiral, you just have to keep the plane in a tight inside circle with the nose down. This usually means very fast inputs. I'm assuming you mean rolling to the inside... if you mean where the plane rolls to the outside of the circle and looks like it's flopping over itself, then it's the same theory but rolling out.

If you can find a video, I can probably better explain it... I'm just guessing at what you meant here.

RJ

[wrench83]

At my field we call it a rolling flat spin and just as hpa said it is just timing just like a good flat spin leave some power in to help air flow over the tail feathers then get the rolling going fast and full deflection or near full. In my mind i think of myself as being ahead of the roll and the plane catching up. It is fast but once you get it the nose will lift and you should see about the same decent rate as a flat spin.
hope this helps.
CE

[3D-Seth]

This look like the figure?

1:43 Mark in the video.

YouTube - Cincinnati IMAC Freestyle - Seth Arnold

If it is, just like RJ said, its a basic rolling circle, while letting it fall...

[Huckeneer]

In my oppinion and what I have been told by others, there are actually 2 different manuevers you can look at as the same or differently. The Rolling Spin, and the Falling Leaf. They both are similar in the aspect that they are a tight rolling cirle into itself, however you can make one 'float" down and one "spin" down. Every pilot does it differently. But if you look at what I like to do which is more called the "falling leaf" is different than what Jason Noll likes to do which is more of the "rolling spin." Difference being the amount of inputs and the timing of the inputs.

Hope this helps. You might want to look up video's on youtube. I have been told what I do is a different manuever that what Jason Noll does.

Hope it helps.
Jamie Hicks

[bodywerks]

The "falling leaf" maneuver you are talking about is probably what Leseberg called "The Washer". It rolls out, not in. The one that rolls into the spiral is called a rolling harrier spin - I call it a spiral roller.