ARFs sizes

[FlyinTiger]

Depending on what your goals are, the 48 inch electric ARFs are hot items and there's only a couple of them out there right now. I know this size wasn't mentioned...not sure why not.

[crazyjoe]

I would think there would be a market for a less expensive composite.

[BTerry]

Cheaper composite planes would be nice I agree, but the prices really can't come down without cutting quality. It is a highly labor-intensive process to build one and do it right. There is far less markup on composite planes than one would expect.

Azhar, the 30cc size is smoking-hot right now simply due to price alone. It is very easy to get a complete setup (plane/engine/radio) for around $800. They will obviously sell the most units and inventory turnover = cash flow.

After that the 50cc planes are selling very well for the last 6-8 years and will likely continue. 100cc planes fly better than the other two sizes but won't sell quite as fast. 150cc planes and up will sell VERY slowly.

I think it would make good business sense to stock a certain number of 100cc planes (if one decides to carry them), and then carry 3 times as many 50cc size planes and 5 times as many in the 30cc size.

[Azhar]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I am also keeping the electric sizes in mind too. Please keep the feedback coming.

[Ramz]

	Quote: Originally Posted by BTerry
	Azhar, the 30cc size is smoking-hot right now simply due to price alone. It is very easy to get a complete setup (plane/engine/radio) for around $800. They will obviously sell the most units and inventory turnover = cash flow.

I would tend to agree with this statement. Up until now, if you wanted a truly high performance aerobat in the 68" to 74" size range (30cc or 26%) you either had to use a large glow motor or a brushless/lipo setup. But now with the DL 30 on the market, it is opening up the doors to this market even more. IMHO, the only real reason that we haven't seen too many 26% planes at the flying field is that not very many people like to run glow (given the alternatives) and the electric setups can get quite pricey when you add it all up. If it were me, I would have a serious look at investing in this size range. If you want to get into the 50cc market, you will have to compete with everybody and their dog but the 30cc market has much room for expansion and growth....both with a gas engine and an electric setup.

[classclown]

How about a 50cc kit,not an arf, with an 88" wingspan weighing 15 to 16lbs. 100cc kit with a 104" wingspan weighing in at 24lbs. Offer them in kits and arfs. That would be a hit.

[leepord geko]

Carden and Dalton already have some top of the line 100cc kits and ARTC (almost ready to cover) but I have yet to see anyone with a 50cc kit that would compete with some of the top brands and still come out at a decent price.

[Al Lewis]

If you're looking for volume sales I would have to say go with the 50cc. Most guys getting into gas will build one of these first. Not too expensive, easy to transport, easy to build, fly great. I think once you jump up to the 100cc planes you get into a whole different market. Lots of guys on here flying 100cc but this is Flying GIANTS. If you check out the other sites I think you'll find that most guys looking to get into gas are looking at a 50cc ARF. Of course you could do what everyone else does and put out both. Whatever you do good luck with it. Got to look out for my home boys!! LOL

[Bam Bam]

I cant belive that some people say they thought that ARF's have gone as far as they can! since when is ANYTHING in this world so good that it cant be improved apon? People who say that are in my opinion extremly up themselves since they obviously think they know all there is to know about something that it cant be improved.
For years there have been master builders who have proven time and again what can be acheived and again i cant belive that none of the ARF manufactures have followed suit.
Will someone just release a 100cc that comes in @ 20pounds???
we all know it sure as hell can be done.
If Aztec are going to release the ultralight 55% extra as a kit, there's no reason you can release a smaller plane (50-170cc) as an ARF.

I belive that the first manufacter to catch up with the times and bring out a 50cc 88" plane that weighs 10-13 pounds will be an instant millionair!

[leepord geko]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Bam Bam
	I cant belive that some people say they thought that ARF's have gone as far as they can! since when is ANYTHING in this world so good that it cant be improved apon? People who say that are in my opinion extremly up themselves since they obviously think they know all there is to know about something that it cant be improved. For years there have been master builders who have proven time and again what can be acheived and again i cant belive that none of the ARF manufactures have followed suit. Will someone just release a 100cc that comes in @ 20pounds??? we all know it sure as hell can be done. If Aztec are going to release the ultralight 55% extra as a kit, there's no reason you can release a smaller plane (50-170cc) as an ARF. I belive that the first manufacter to catch up with the times and bring out a 50cc 88" plane that weighs 10-13 pounds will be an instant millionair!

I think its "upon" not "apon" lol that was a rhetorical answer to what you were saying. I agree with Bam

[Bam Bam]

Your right mate!
But isn't leepord actually spelt leopard???
Just playing bro!

[leepord geko]

lol ya but that name is old I use it for everything like youtube accounts game names etc and have just stayed with it but good point lol.

[classclown]

"If Aztec are going to release the ultralight 55% extra as a kit, there's no reason you can release a smaller plane (50-170cc) as an ARF."

"I belive that the first manufacter to catch up with the times and bring out a 50cc 88" plane that weighs 10-13 pounds will be an instant millionair!"[/quote]

Reffering to the 55% ultralight Extra, your confusing Aztec with Aerotech. On your last statement, do you realize how you end up with a small fortune in this business? You start with a big one. You have to do it for the love of the hobby. If you start turning the numbers that the big giants, like Horizon, Hobbico, etc., now, you can start speaking about the millions.

[Bam Bam]

Ja, yes i meant aerotech, was typing faster than i really can and did it as i had aztech in my mind as that was the thread starter.

Say as an example, EF released their 110" yak all over again only this time it weighed in at 21lb instead of say 28-29 pounds, how sick would that be? if you were in the market for a 100cc yak, why would you buy something else?

[FlyinTiger]

In my limited experience flying big gassers, there's a sweet spot for the weight. Too light and you get a plane that bounces off of the breeze it can be pretty difficult to fly smoothly.

Now, if you never have any wind, or you're trying to use a much smaller motor for your plane, then there might be a reason to be extremely light weight.