JR12X Question, PCData Transfer

[03fomoco]

Ok what am I doing wrong, when I have a model open in the PC Data software, I cannot add points in the mixes or throttle curve sections or any multipoint mix. If they are active in the radio I can change those numbers once imported but cannot add, delete or edit other points on the curve.

On the X9303 software there was a check box next to each mix point to make it active or inactive?

What gives....


HELP???

[AWorrest]

I think this is a limitation of the program. I find the same.

Allan

[BreadBowl]

From what little I've played with the program, I don't think it's possible either.

However, that begs the question. Why are you changing settings on a model without seeing how they directly affect it? The only need for a program like this, as I see it, is to be able to backup models. To me, it seems almost like arbitrarily messing with something. I don't mean to be brash, and I apologize if I came off that way, but JR folks probably designed it that way for that reason.

[03fomoco]

Nah the old one let you do it, JR just skimped on the new one. I found that I can adjust them if they are added in the TX first but that does not help with what I need it for.

I sold my 9303 and was looking for an easy way to build new programs for my 12X as a starting point. It could of been a nice tool as a starting point for someone who has to convert 10+ models over. I have all the numbers from my old TX.

Of course I would fully test everything this goes without saying.

Thanks to those that tried the same.

Dave

[BreadBowl]

Dave,

FWIW, when I got my 12X, I took all the numbers in the programs exactly as they were from my 10X and they were spot on. I've even transferred mixing numbers from a 9303 to my 10X without issue. I know it's a pain to manually input everything, but have you tried doing that to see how close you get?

Just food for thought. Good luck!

[AWorrest]

Original post deleted. For some unknown reason, I'm not able to duplicate the problem.

Allan

[03fomoco]

	Quote: Originally Posted by BreadBowl
	Dave, FWIW, when I got my 12X, I took all the numbers in the programs exactly as they were from my 10X and they were spot on. I've even transferred mixing numbers from a 9303 to my 10X without issue. I know it's a pain to manually input everything, but have you tried doing that to see how close you get? Just food for thought. Good luck!

Thanks this is where I am at now, I have coined the term "spin and grin" I built some basic aero models and heli models like I did on my X9303 and am going from there putting in all the old numbers from the X9303.

Kinda frustrating in that a conversion program would have been considered a lunch time break project for a software engineer. As would the PC data software...

[Zeeb]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 03fomoco
	Kinda frustrating in that a conversion program would have been considered a lunch time break project for a software engineer. As would the PC data software...

Wait until you try to load the software on a Vista or Win7 64 bit computer....

What's irritating is that the software loads but the USB driver doesn't have a digital signature so Windows says "no, no, no...." even when you bypass the install warning. The USB driver is apparently some generic driver provided by an outfit in Germany and slightly modified by JR for the application. The date on the driver is Dec. '05.

I and some others have been bugging Horizon about this since the radio came out and I last e-mailed them a week ago when I found out the Win7 wouldn't play either. They say there are no plans to address the issue from what they know.

You can get it to run if you do the F8 trick on startup to disable driver signing enforcement but that's a pain. If Castle Creations and even FMA can come up with software and drivers to run with those two OS's, you'd think JR could do the same, but maybe that's what I get for doing my own thinking???? lol

[03fomoco]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Zeeb
	Wait until you try to load the software on a Vista or Win7 64 bit computer.... What's irritating is that the software loads but the USB driver doesn't have a digital signature so Windows says "no, no, no...." even when you bypass the install warning. The USB driver is apparently some generic driver provided by an outfit in Germany and slightly modified by JR for the application. The date on the driver is Dec. '05. I and some others have been bugging Horizon about this since the radio came out and I last e-mailed them a week ago when I found out the Win7 wouldn't play either. They say there are no plans to address the issue from what they know. You can get it to run if you do the F8 trick on startup to disable driver signing enforcement but that's a pain. If Castle Creations and even FMA can come up with software and drivers to run with those two OS's, you'd think JR could do the same, but maybe that's what I get for doing my own thinking???? lol

Well said, has anyone with Win7 tried to run it in the XP mode that MS added on as a download? To my understanding you have to load both the program and the drivers only after you have installed the XP mode download. OR should I say reinstall the software and drivers... I guess you could thorw a huge fit if you buy the 12X and use the data xfer software as the product does not work as advertised?

All in all not that big a deal, just sad that they did not fess up 1 or two grand to some grad student to write something better...

[Zeeb]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 03fomoco
	Well said, has anyone with Win7 tried to run it in the XP mode that MS added on as a download?

Funny you should mention that because that is exactly what I had in mind when I upgraded to the Win7. I even had to find out the hard way that the Win7 Professional upgrade which has the capability of running the XP mode, cannot be used to upgrade a 64 bit Vista install, you gotta buy the Win7 Ultimate upgrade.

Okay, got that done and then find out that the computer must have what Intel calls a "VT" or virtual technology capable chip in order to run the XP mode as it's a virtual program. Needless to say the computer I bought last year doesn't have the VT chip, so I can't try to run the 12X program in XP mode 'cause my 'puter won't run the MS software.....

[03fomoco]

Per MS TechNet, XP mode should be available to anyone running 7 Ultimate or 7 Professional on a clean install. Just not Home basic or Home premium. And it has to be a clean install? I have not heard about the VT thing but will keep that in mind for my 30 dollar copy of Win7Pro next computer build...

[Zeeb]

I screwed around with this for about 5 days of back and forth with Microsoft....

Win7 Professional will go on as a clean install if you purchased the full OS rather than an upgrade. It cannot be used to upgrade a Vista OS, in fact as far as I can determine the Win7 Professional upgrade can only be used to upgrade a Win7 Home. Another wrinkle is that the Vista OS you're upgrading MUST be installed on the computer for the Win7 upgrade to install, you cannot do a clean install with an upgrade via proof of a previous OS with it's DVD or something. The upgrade checks for the presence of the previous OS on the hard drive and if it's not there, you're done.

From what I've been able to find out, the VT chips are segregated due to a concious decision on Intel's part to differentiate their marketing. I've been cruising a few computer sites and haven't yet found anything pre-built from the likes of HP with a VT chip. Now that's in the mid/lower end priced stuff. AMD also produces VT capable chips but I can't remember what they call them.

I've seen references to some other virtual technology software and haven't really looked into that and it's hardware requirements, just the MS stuff.

As for building a computer; I gave that up several years back as there's no way I can build one for the prices I can just buy one, saves me the aggravation as well as some dollars. I used to enjoy tinkering with computers, now it's just a pain in the b*tt when they don't work right.... lol

[wfield0455]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Zeeb
	Wait until you try to load the software on a Vista or Win7 64 bit computer.... What's irritating is that the software loads but the USB driver doesn't have a digital signature so Windows says "no, no, no...." even when you bypass the install warning. The USB driver is apparently some generic driver provided by an outfit in Germany and slightly modified by JR for the application. The date on the driver is Dec. '05. I and some others have been bugging Horizon about this since the radio came out and I last e-mailed them a week ago when I found out the Win7 wouldn't play either. They say there are no plans to address the issue from what they know. You can get it to run if you do the F8 trick on startup to disable driver signing enforcement but that's a pain. If Castle Creations and even FMA can come up with software and drivers to run with those two OS's, you'd think JR could do the same, but maybe that's what I get for doing my own thinking???? lol

I had heard that it should run if you use F8 to disable driver signing enforcement but it didn't work
on my machine... I was under the impression that not only is the driver not signed, it isn't 64 bit compatible.... I may have run into some other problem though.. I eventually gave up and just installed the software on an XP VM running on my Mac....

Wayne

[W.W. Corrigan]

Anybody ever get this figured out for windows 7.

My 12X has an intermittent glitch in the power on sequence and I have to send it in so I need to save my models, approx 30, so that I don't have 2 months of reprograming to do when my radio is returned.

I tried saving my models using the data transfer program but the USBIO drivers that are spoken of in the manual were not installed and the transfer fails because the program can not find the drivers.

The only computers in my house are MACS and a remnant PC that I would get rid of if so many programs, Real Flight, etc require its use.

[Zeeb]

Oh yeah there's a fix available!

Only catch is that you have to call Horizon and they'll e-mail you the updated drivers since they are not on the website. If you haven't called Horizon recently, I usually wind up leaving a callback number rather than wait on hold but they're really good about calling back.

Oh, looking at your 'puters... Are you running a Win7 virtual install on the Mac?

Don't know if that'll play but would assume so as the issue wasn't actually the driver at fault since you COULD get it to run if you disabled driver signing enforcement so it was the lack of a digital signature on the USB driver which caused the issue on 64 bit WinVista and Win7.

Should run on the old "remnant PC" without issue although I had two XP computers and it loaded on one but wouldn't load on the other, go figure....