KATANA 39% - KRILL MODEL

[Boogie]

I've found the price somewhere already ----> 800 euro

[Bob B]

well this thread has been setting dorment for a wile so i thought thi mite revive it .
I am helping a friend who just bought one of these 39% katanas, this is his first big plane and first composit plane. I have built and flown composit ARF planes so i am his logicol choice for help.and glad to be of help to him.
There are a few things I have to say about the KRILL kit. the molding and paint look comprabul to the other composit kits on the market. BUT KRILL has some problems with packaging things were just wraped and put in the boxes in a very poor maner it is a small mirecale it got here in tact. there are NO instructions ,The small parts aren't compleat the slots in the stabes for the servo arm exits aren't cut .the covers for the wing servoes are plain wood not painted the wing incedeance isn't set you have to be carefull there, the fire wall doesn't have right thrust built in but the cowl does. In MY opinion these are things that should be done right at the factory

[joenella]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Bob B
	well this thread has been setting dorment for a wile so i thought thi mite revive it . I am helping a friend who just bought one of these 39% katanas, this is his first big plane and first composit plane. I have built and flown composit ARF planes so i am his logicol choice for help.and glad to be of help to him. There are a few things I have to say about the KRILL kit. the molding and paint look comprabul to the other composit kits on the market. BUT KRILL has some problems with packaging things were just wraped and put in the boxes in a very poor maner it is a small mirecale it got here in tact. there are NO instructions ,The small parts aren't compleat the slots in the stabes for the servo arm exits aren't cut .the covers for the wing servoes are plain wood not painted the wing incedeance isn't set you have to be carefull there, the fire wall doesn't have right thrust built in but the cowl does. In MY opinion these are things that should be done right at the factory

Krill planes are NOT ARF's they are a builders choise and for builders with several years on their back. That's why there are no instructions, right thrust you buy the engine stand off fom KRILL and you have your right thrust.
Remember no additional reinforcement are needed, in order to keep the weight down.

brgds
Joen

[Flyinrazrback]

I thought these came with a manual on a CD, I know my 33% did. I will check to see if there is a CD manual in my 39% when it arrives this Friday. On the right thrust issue, the pictures I have seen using a DA 150 it mounts directly to the firewall to make the spinner spacing correct, so how do you put right thrust into it without spacing out the motor/spinner?

[joenella]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Flyinrazrback
	I thought these came with a manual on a CD, I know my 33% did. I will check to see if there is a CD manual in my 39% when it arrives this Friday. On the right thrust issue, the pictures I have seen using a DA 150 it mounts directly to the firewall to make the spinner spacing correct, so how do you put right thrust into it without spacing out the motor/spinner?

You're right there, there's a CD with a lot pictures an some few hints.

If you buy the engine stand offs from KRILL, you'll be able to have the correct amount of right thrust, the stand off have different lenght, long ones left hand side short ones right hand side, no spacing or shims needed.

brgds
Joen

[Flyinrazrback]

What I am saying is the length of the DA 150 from back of the engine to the back of the spinner backplate is the same length as the the length of the factory firewall to front of the cowling, so if there is no right thrust built into the firewall, you will have to add spacers to make the right thrust, but by doing this with a DA 150 will space the spinner backplate out at least 1/4" from the cowling and look tacky IMO. If you use a 3W, it is shorter and can make the standoffs for the right thrust, but with the DA you will be stuck with a gap between the cowling and spinner backplate (unless you accept no right thrust and just use a throttle to rudder mix). Also, when glueing in the control arms into the surface, the locations are not predetermined for you like a comp arf, so does it matter where you put them?

[Bob B]

Well with 30+years experance and 2 comp arf's under my belt it is my opinion KRILL comes up a little short in the detales but i am sure when it is built it will be an outstanding plane to fly

flyingrazerback i tryed to answer your message kept geting an error when sent he is useing a DA

[Cracky]

hey FRB, Jagerbomb built one of these 39% not too long ago. I'm sure the info is still fresh in his head....

I also believe that he put a DA in it...

[Flyinrazrback]

Bob, I think the quality of the Krill exceeds the comp arfs I have had, but the work required to finish it is a lot more than the comp arf. I guess with the DA he will have to use a throttle to rudder mix, as there is no way to add spacers for the right thrust without making the motor stick out in front of the cowling. Maybe because the predominant engine in Europe is the 3W and is shorter than the DA, who knows. I think I am going to deviate on mine and not mount the servos in the wing on their side, but on top like most conventional planes. I will be using a 3W 157CS and Greves pipes in mine. 3 Hitec 5955s per aileron, 1 5955 per elevator (with weight added in front of counterbalance), Dual Fromeco 4800s, Emcotec RV.

[joenella]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Flyinrazrback
	Bob, I think the quality of the Krill exceeds the comp arfs I have had, but the work required to finish it is a lot more than the comp arf. I guess with the DA he will have to use a throttle to rudder mix, as there is no way to add spacers for the right thrust without making the motor stick out in front of the cowling. Maybe because the predominant engine in Europe is the 3W and is shorter than the DA, who knows. I think I am going to deviate on mine and not mount the servos in the wing on their side, but on top like most conventional planes. I will be using a 3W 157CS and Greves pipes in mine. 3 Hitec 5955s per aileron, 1 5955 per elevator (with weight added in front of counterbalance), Dual Fromeco 4800s, Emcotec RV.

How about a ZDZ160RV-J ? 3W are way too heavy. Most Krill planes are made for ZDZ engines to fit inside.

brgds
Joen

[Bob B]

one thing i wan't to make clear I am not riping krill for haveing a bad product I feel that for the money you spend and the diffaculty you have in even geting the plane in the U.S. it should have been packaged better and the factory should have made sure it was compleat to many small but ierating things are missing and there are no quick fixes from krill just to get in touch with someone to take care of the problems IS a problem

[DKjens]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Bob B
	BUT KRILL has some problems with packaging things were just wraped and put in the boxes in a very poor maner it is a small mirecale it got here in tact. there are NO instructions ,The small parts aren't compleat the slots in the stabes for the servo arm exits aren't cut .the covers for the wing servoes are plain wood not painted the wing incedeance isn't set you have to be carefull there, the fire wall doesn't have right thrust built in but the cowl does. In MY opinion these are things that should be done right at the factory

I completely agree with the packaging, and shipping the right components can also be a problem. I ordered mine with a black carbon spinner and a black carbon canopy. I received it with a white fiberglass spinner and a clear canopy already mounted, which had been depressed during shipping so it has a permanent creace in it. I found enough instructions on the CD, just have to decide on your own what to do first. I found enough little parts, I always expect to go out and get ball links, linkage, etc. on my own anyway. Cutting holes in the stabs for the servo arms was easy and so was cutting the slots in the control surfaces for the control horns, softer material than the Composite-ARF. Yes, much more work involved in lining up and mounting canopy frame and cowl. Oh, and the stock gear sucks, way to soft and delams in no time. I've adapted the gear from a 3.0m Extra to my KatanaS.

Unfortunately I don't have much time on mine, since I have radio issues and probably won't fly it until I can get XtremeLink in it.

[joenella]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Bob B
	one thing i wan't to make clear I am not riping krill for haveing a bad product I feel that for the money you spend and the diffaculty you have in even geting the plane in the U.S. it should have been packaged better and the factory should have made sure it was compleat to many small but ierating things are missing and there are no quick fixes from krill just to get in touch with someone to take care of the problems IS a problem

Bob.

Agree they are expensive, agree package can be better, not agree with small parts missing, not agree to get in touch with Krill.

Ad 1. You get a super quality product produced in Europe which add some customs and freight rates.

Ad 2. As european we don't have this problem as we get them deliver by special courier service, delivered at your door.

Ad 3. You most likely gonna use your prefered hardware anyway

Ad 4. Just pick up the phone and call him

brgds
Joen

[Flyinrazrback]

Joenella, I have had the ZDZ 160RV-J and 3W 157. In reality the super 160 is only a few ounces lighter than the 157. I have had both, like both engines, I just prefer the 3W on this one. One thing, here and the states we can't just pick up and call Krill, makes it hard to do with the time difference. The US rep here is still trying to get stood up, but going to take time. I agree on the packaging, my 33% came damaged because they just tossed the hardware and landing gear in the fuse, and did not make sure it was secure and the gear floated around and put a hole in the fuse, and well as some stress fractures in the canopy. My 39% on the way had to be taken out of the box by the US rep and re-packed to make sure it makes it here in one piece, will know for sure this Friday when it arrives. I will tell you one thing, when I opened up my 33% aside from the damage, I was stoked at the quality. I have also heard about the gear being super soft, I plan on having Abell make me a custom gear for it that is milled out, etc, should be fairly light.

[Bob B]

flyingrazerback
the landing gear is a composit though it seems to be heavey enough it doesn't look like carbon fiber moore like fiber glass untill it is setting with the full built up weight I would hold off replacing it but i would look into al gear from TNT