Welcome to The FlyingGiants! - please login or click this bar to join our community...

HobbyKing.com New Products Flash Sale
 

Welcome to The FlyingGiants Community! We're all about fun, and inside you'll find the greatest, friendliest, and most helpful group of people around! If this is your first time visiting, please check out site, and click here to sign up! We hope to see you soon!!

Go Back   FlyingGiants > Giant Scale Planes > Workshop Skills
Forgot your password? Create a new account


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-01-2006, 02:03 PM   #16
Boogie
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
Boogie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Warsaw & Gdynia, Poland
Age: 24
Posts: 400
Send a message via Skype™ to Boogie
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

Did You cut the stripe out of one piece of monokote?? That is a waste if so.
Boogie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 02:24 PM   #17
zivbit
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
zivbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Israel
Age: 40
Posts: 303
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

the stripe is made of monokote sticker and I used a stripper to cut it straight.
__________________
Team "Shalat Rachok" Israel
www.shalat.co.il
www.planesandmodels.com
zivbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 02:28 PM   #18
JeeUm
.
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,100
Awards Showcase
The Golden Turd: A time honored tradition. Awarded to members who are deserving of ridicule for their antics in the community forums. - Issue reason: Same as the others. Lame post that won't stop! The Golden Turd: A time honored tradition. Awarded to members who are deserving of ridicule for their antics in the community forums. - Issue reason: Just see this: http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2549 The Golden Turd: A time honored tradition. Awarded to members who are deserving of ridicule for their antics in the community forums. - Issue reason: Jim receives this award for constantly posting the lamest links to the lamest internet cartoon songs involving cats. Jim has cumulatively wasted thousands of hours of our time with this stuff, ergo, this award. Congrats Jeeum. 
Total Awards: 3
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

Quote: Originally Posted by Boogie
View Post
Did You cut the stripe out of one piece of monokote?? That is a waste if so.
I'm confused Boogie, waste of time or material?

Ziv, gotta say before the white stripe I wasn't sure how I felt about it. Now I'm sure, I love it. Definitley different and unique.

The one thing I see about the plane that I personally might not like is the half cowl, won't that make it kinda of difficult to work on the engine?
JeeUm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 03:13 PM   #19
zivbit
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
zivbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Israel
Age: 40
Posts: 303
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

Hi Jeeum,

on the contrary - half cowl means that each time I open the canopy to install the wings I get a good look on the engine and instalation and I can check everything in place before flights.
I do not mind this at all.

That is how all new katana's even from Krill are designed. the European way....

Cheers,
Ziv

More work tonight - I will post pics tomorrow.
__________________
Team "Shalat Rachok" Israel
www.shalat.co.il
www.planesandmodels.com
zivbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 04:18 PM   #20
JeeUm
.
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,100
Awards Showcase
The Golden Turd: A time honored tradition. Awarded to members who are deserving of ridicule for their antics in the community forums. - Issue reason: Same as the others. Lame post that won't stop! The Golden Turd: A time honored tradition. Awarded to members who are deserving of ridicule for their antics in the community forums. - Issue reason: Just see this: http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2549 The Golden Turd: A time honored tradition. Awarded to members who are deserving of ridicule for their antics in the community forums. - Issue reason: Jim receives this award for constantly posting the lamest links to the lamest internet cartoon songs involving cats. Jim has cumulatively wasted thousands of hours of our time with this stuff, ergo, this award. Congrats Jeeum. 
Total Awards: 3
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

Thats a big "Duhhh" on my part, that makes perfect sense. That is a great idea, for some reason I wasn't thinking removable with the hatch.
JeeUm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 04:22 PM   #21
madmax
Pre-SleepyC Tuna
 
madmax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Mexifornia
Age: 40
Posts: 9,990
Awards Showcase
Japaleno Bad Ass: This is to say thank you for donating  funds to help bring Wesse to the 09 Joe Nall! - Issue reason: Thanks CHIEF! You are a HOT Pepper, a real heat getter! The  MAD MAX: This award is for the commitment and dedication put in to  building the Flyinggiants into the amazing site it is today. CHEERS! Now go relax and have a wobbly pop. - Issue reason: This award is for the commitment and dedication put in to building the Flyinggiants into the amazing site it is today. CHEERS! Now go relax and have a wobbly pop. Wesse's Haaard Man Award!: For showing our community the joy of eating jap-a-lin-os and being a haaaard man! Wesse Power! - Issue reason: You're a haaaaaaard man! 
Total Awards: 3
Send a message via Skype™ to madmax
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

DAMN ZIV!!!!!!! That's awesome!!! A ton of guys here, myself included, will definately benefit from this thread, and from your technique.. THANKS!!!!!
__________________
MadMax Duncan
Formerly known as the Michael Jordan of RC
I'm huge in Peebles Ohio!
madmax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 05:51 PM   #22
Boogie
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
Boogie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Warsaw & Gdynia, Poland
Age: 24
Posts: 400
Send a message via Skype™ to Boogie
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

Quote: Originally Posted by JeeUm
View Post
I'm confused Boogie, waste of time or material?
I was thinking about the material rather.
Boogie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2006, 05:14 AM   #23
zivbit
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
zivbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Israel
Age: 40
Posts: 303
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

Moving on with the fuse:
I decided to close the canopy and place a pilot there.I contacted Paul from NOLIMITZ and got the Redbull pilot since the colors match perfectly....

Besides Redbull "gives you wings" so......

Here it is.

Paul - U the man!
Attached Thumbnails
  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PC020405.jpg
Views:	50
Size:	82.5 KB
ID:	27489 82.5 KB · Views: 50

  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PC020407.jpg
Views:	25
Size:	82.5 KB
ID:	27490 82.5 KB · Views: 25

  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PC020408.jpg
Views:	22
Size:	94.3 KB
ID:	27491 94.3 KB · Views: 22

  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PC020409.jpg
Views:	30
Size:	89.2 KB
ID:	27492 89.2 KB · Views: 30

__________________
Team "Shalat Rachok" Israel
www.shalat.co.il
www.planesandmodels.com
zivbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2006, 05:16 AM   #24
zivbit
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
zivbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Israel
Age: 40
Posts: 303
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

a little to big pilot , but looks cool anyway so...
fuse almost done.
Attached Thumbnails
  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PC020411.jpg
Views:	30
Size:	90.5 KB
ID:	27493 90.5 KB · Views: 30

__________________
Team "Shalat Rachok" Israel
www.shalat.co.il
www.planesandmodels.com
zivbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2006, 12:40 PM   #25
snap a saurus
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
snap a saurus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Swansea MA USA
Posts: 7,536
Awards Showcase
F3A TEAM USA SUPPORTER!: F3A TEAM USA SUPPORTER! - Issue reason: You are BAD ASS, Thank you for supporting the 2009 F3A TEAM USA! Japaleno Bad Ass: This is to say thank you for donating  funds to help bring Wesse to the 09 Joe Nall! - Issue reason: You da Man! FlyingGiants Good Dude Award: For stepping up to the plate, being a part of a fundraising effort for a good cause. Thank you. - Issue reason: Thank you very much for helping with the recent donation drive. Wesse's Haaard Man Award!: For showing our community the joy of eating jap-a-lin-os and being a haaaard man! Wesse Power! - Issue reason: You're a haaaaaaard man! 
Total Awards: 4
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

Ziv, nice work, one question, did you treat the wood before covering and if so what did you use?
Monokote is known to bubble in hot conditions, thanks.
Elie
snap a saurus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2006, 12:48 PM   #26
zivbit
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
zivbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Israel
Age: 40
Posts: 303
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

Hi Elie,

I did not treat the wood with anything but good sanding and some filler in rudder-fuse joint. nothing more than that.
You are right - monokote tend to bubble in hot temp, this is why you work with low temp on balsa.
Balsa - Low temp
Hard wood - higher temp (sticks better)
fiberglass - high temp (if the fiber is air-through)

When you do layers - you have to use VERY low temp, otherwise impossible to work without bubbkes. this is where oracover is superior.
The problem here is that oracover is no where to be found in good variety so I stick to monokote.

Most important - use heat blower (I use the B&D 1800 watt one) to go all over the surfaces after you are done, locate the loosen spots, and tighten them with the iron.

Cheers,
Ziv
__________________
Team "Shalat Rachok" Israel
www.shalat.co.il
www.planesandmodels.com
zivbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2006, 12:59 PM   #27
snap a saurus
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
snap a saurus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Swansea MA USA
Posts: 7,536
Awards Showcase
F3A TEAM USA SUPPORTER!: F3A TEAM USA SUPPORTER! - Issue reason: You are BAD ASS, Thank you for supporting the 2009 F3A TEAM USA! Japaleno Bad Ass: This is to say thank you for donating  funds to help bring Wesse to the 09 Joe Nall! - Issue reason: You da Man! FlyingGiants Good Dude Award: For stepping up to the plate, being a part of a fundraising effort for a good cause. Thank you. - Issue reason: Thank you very much for helping with the recent donation drive. Wesse's Haaard Man Award!: For showing our community the joy of eating jap-a-lin-os and being a haaaard man! Wesse Power! - Issue reason: You're a haaaaaaard man! 
Total Awards: 4
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

Hi Ziv
I guess the trick is how you do it and the temp setting, my experience with covering is very limited that's why this thread is important to me, thanks for sharing.
snap a saurus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2006, 03:49 PM   #28
zivbit
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
zivbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Israel
Age: 40
Posts: 303
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

OK guys,
here is how it looks when the stabs are placed together.
you start to get the look of it.
sometimes the color scheme looks nice on the drawing paper but in real its not so hot.
not his time.... I think I will keep this one!
Attached Thumbnails
  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PA250329.jpg
Views:	41
Size:	87.6 KB
ID:	27517 87.6 KB · Views: 41

  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PA250331.jpg
Views:	50
Size:	77.3 KB
ID:	27518 77.3 KB · Views: 50

__________________
Team "Shalat Rachok" Israel
www.shalat.co.il
www.planesandmodels.com
zivbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2006, 03:51 PM   #29
zivbit
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
zivbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Israel
Age: 40
Posts: 303
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

OK guys on to the wings:
first make sure that the wings are properly sanded and smooth.
When you iron the monokote well onto the surface -it shows everything! every little hole or scratch to the balsa - pops out.

Here are the wings before .
Attached Thumbnails
  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PB040316.jpg
Views:	56
Size:	106.7 KB
ID:	27519 106.7 KB · Views: 56

  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PB040319.jpg
Views:	56
Size:	77.7 KB
ID:	27520 77.7 KB · Views: 56

__________________
Team "Shalat Rachok" Israel
www.shalat.co.il
www.planesandmodels.com
zivbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2006, 03:56 PM   #30
zivbit
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
zivbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Israel
Age: 40
Posts: 303
Default Re: EMHW Katana Monokote covering thread

I first do the bottom side.
Transparent colors always first, because when you over-lap the second color, you would not want to see the seam under the layer. darker colors always on top.

Transparent blue on the open spaces ribs, I cut it in the right design as shown with the round corner on the wing, then I iron the sover layer, using the bottom layer edge as a marker.
I iron 0.5 cm on top of the bottom blue layer, and then use a sharp hobby knife to cut the silver top color on top of it.

carefull not to press the knife to much as it will cut both layer and get to the balsa and leave it exposed. then when you use heat blower the 2 layers will separate from one another.

after that - on to the gold stripes.
Attached Thumbnails
  • Click image for larger version

Name:	PB040343.jpg
Views:	68
Size:	108.4 KB
ID:	27521 108.4 KB · Views: 68

__________________
Team "Shalat Rachok" Israel
www.shalat.co.il
www.planesandmodels.com
zivbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Monokote / Sandpaper finish JeremyHolt Workshop Skills 10 07-26-2006 02:55 PM
covering over thread. TonyThomasian Workshop Skills 2 06-01-2006 01:49 AM
3.1meter Katana from EMHW build tread Bushman Build Threads 1 05-23-2006 12:11 PM
covering thread needed! TonyThomasian Workshop Skills 3 05-04-2006 07:24 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:02 AM.

All Flyinggiants.com content copyright 2006-2012 by RCGroups.com, LLC except where otherwise indicated. The Flyinggiants.com logo is a trademark of RCGroups.com, LLC.
Please report any misuse of our trademarks or copyright violations using the contact form.
RCGroups Network :: RCGroups :: The E Zone :: Lift Zone :: RC Power :: Crackroll :: RC Cars

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.