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Old 03-21-2011, 01:22 PM
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This aircraft looks a lot like rutans starship any relation. I see something like this fly into Charleston from time to time.
No relation at all. The Beechcraft Starship was designed by Burt Rutan, but was a true canard aircraft. Unfortunately, its performance never lived up to its looks. It was NOT a fast aircraft as turboprops go. It was however VERY big and impressive on the tarmac. Sadly, I heard Beechcraft was buying up all the old Starships and destroying them because it wasn't cost effective to have to support them. They only sold 11 of them after it received FAA certification.

The Piaggo is a triple surface aircraft. It has a small canard, but also has a conventional tail surface on the vertical fin/rudder. Much smaller than the Starship, but faster on 1/3 less horsepower. It also carries more passengers than the Starship. It's an amazingly efficient aircraft for a turboprop as well, getting an average .85 NM per pound of fuel, more than double similar corporate jet aircraft.
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Old 03-21-2011, 02:53 PM
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What ratings do you currently have? Hours? Any Current Job? Lets here it!!!

As for me I am a Private Single/Multi Engine Pilot with Instrument both in Single/Multi. Also have High Performance and Complex Endorsed. Currently working on Multi Commercial Rating.

205 Total Hours
54 Hours FTD Simulator
12 Hours Actual Time
30 Hours Simulated
5 Hours Predator B Sim Time.

Flying is honestly something hard to explain! Its just flat out amazing!

OMG!!!
5 hours on a Pred B Sim??? How do you stay awake!!!

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No relation at all. The Beechcraft Starship was designed by Burt Rutan, but was a true canard aircraft. Unfortunately, its performance never lived up to its looks. It was NOT a fast aircraft as turboprops go. It was however VERY big and impressive on the tarmac. Sadly, I heard Beechcraft was buying up all the old Starships and destroying them because it wasn't cost effective to have to support them. They only sold 11 of them after it received FAA certification.

The Piaggo is a triple surface aircraft. It has a small canard, but also has a conventional tail surface on the vertical fin/rudder. Much smaller than the Starship, but faster on 1/3 less horsepower. It also carries more passengers than the Starship. It's an amazingly efficient aircraft for a turboprop as well, getting an average .85 NM per pound of fuel, more than double similar corporate jet aircraft.
I think Mark Earl Leeseburg flies one of these.....

I used to tell people that other than a Piaggio costing less, carrying more, going faster, better fuel economy... it is exactly like a starship! lol

I heard they were cutting'em up because their Insurance Companies Lawyers told'em too... but that is like 3rd or 4th hand info.....

Yes.. a canard is rather stupid..... Burt did a lot of amazing things in spite of the fact he utilized canards....
In order to be stable.. the front wing is just to heavily loaded.... can't get the main wing to a high near stall AOA so takeoff anf landing uses too much runway....

I have 3 hours on a Gnat 750!! he he he he
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Old 03-21-2011, 02:58 PM
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Thought about the full scale thing and took an introductgory flight. First the instructor fussed at me for trying to bank more than 30 degrees. "You nose is too low! Your nose is too high!" "Level your wings!" I assumed inverted flight would be frowned on so I avoided that.

So apparently you can't go right into an Extra and fly aerobatics it seems.

Then ya gotta learn navigation (why if I have GPS)....and avionics (want to fly 'em, not build 'em), and radio communications ("I'm landing please get out of the way"), blah, blah.

So guess I stay with two sticks and a couple switches......

I do respect the heck out of those that do full scale though. They're heroes to me....well most of them.
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Old 03-21-2011, 03:35 PM
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You should have had my instructor. He was very relaxed, said he wasn't worried at all, that he wouldn't let me hurt us. If I went ahead with more lessons this guy would be my instructor. He was great. Never scolded me for my bad flying.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:32 PM
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I had a GREAT primary instructor. If you have a guy barking at you and making you focused more on him than on the flying, get a new instructor immediately.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:36 PM
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Yelling at you on a familiarization ride?????????????????????????
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:05 PM
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Dan,

Hows that new Futaba 750 gyro working?


Yelling at you on a familiarization ride?????????????????????????
Sounds like the line captain that give me IOE once..what an ass!

I haven't updated my log book in 3 years:0) You know your happy were you are when that happens!

For you guys starting out and dreams of the airlines, just know that the golden days are over...I never thought I'd see the day that fractional and corporate were (to some degree I hope) more stable than the airlines..Don't get me wrong, alot of my friends are there and very happy..it just wasn't my cup of tea. Work hard, be safe, and if you're luck..ie..right spot, at right time, a good guy in charge will give you a chance like I was given...also, don't forget to network..enough can't be said for that!!

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Old 03-21-2011, 06:17 PM
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I have about 20 hrs logged but a bunch more actual. Soloed on my 16th b-day in the RV7
1 hr in an r22
.5 hr in a king air 200gt
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:47 PM
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I have no rating as of yet but plan on finishing it soon. Just waiting for the funds again. (trying to buy a house this year)
25hrs in a cessna 150
.7 hrs in a cessna 421C


Unofficially I have (All in actual sims including takeoff and landings as well as some Cat 2 aproaches)
.5 hrs Hawker 800XP
.5 hrs Beechjet 400,400A,400XP
2 hrs Dornier 328 Jet (flies like a giant 172 with HEAVY controls)


As for flight sim time I have 531.6hrs on Flight sim X lol
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:47 PM
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Currently trying to convince my overweight 37 year old body that Unlimited is still possible...

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Scott....age has nothing to do with it !!!!! Not gonna say a thing about your first observation

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Old 03-21-2011, 06:52 PM
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LOL.. yeah.. How old was Henry Haigh when he quit competing? Phil Knight was no spring chicken when he last competed in the WAC either.
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Old 03-21-2011, 07:08 PM
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I had a GREAT primary instructor. If you have a guy barking at you and making you focused more on him than on the flying, get a new instructor immediately.
Example...some erau instructors lol
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Old 03-21-2011, 07:36 PM
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:15 PM
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No doubt you're as cool as everyone, really.

I work for the same company as Jwilliams. Different airplane, and we've never met.
SA227, B-727, B757/767.
And I think you are in ONT??? I am in SDF.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:13 PM
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adding some hours tomorrow. ATL to RIC and back to ATL.
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