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Old 03-19-2012, 11:16 AM
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These dudes are amazing to watch but also make me soo nervous.
I just wonder when pushing themselves that hard, they will go past what the body can take.
I know how it is with guys, you always push harder and harder.
I hope they always measure the risk and do not get carried away.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:31 AM
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Would have loved to see his 4-minute freestyle Earle
His flight starts at 7:40

2009 / 25th FAI World Aerobatic Championships (11 min 58 sec)
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:54 AM
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Watching pilots of Renaud's skill is a pure thing of beauty. I wish I could have seen him fly in person. So young and so much talent. I have seen this video tribute that Mike Heuer put together many times, but still find it one of the best displays of absolute precision!

Would have loved to see his 4-minute freestyle

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European pilots are by far some of the best pilots in the world. They are serious about what they do and usually spare no expense, whether its full scale or RC. This freestyle by Reaud is unique and so clean. Check out the negative high alpha moves at 4:03. Really cool.

Renaud Ecalle at WAC 2009 (5 min 27 sec)
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:55 AM
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This is an awesome vid that I found. This is some of the cleanest aerobatics ive ever seen.

RECOGNIZE THE SCHEME???

Aerobatics RENAUD ECALLE Tribute - Free Programme 2010 - Voltige - YouTube
That's some damn fine flying right there.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:51 PM
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Totally agree. There is nothing more satisfying or more beautiful than seeing someone of this talent fly with such effortless precision.
'Xactly.... it looked so precise and sweet.. almost looked easy.....

Definitely he was "The Man"!

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These dudes are amazing to watch but also make me soo nervous.
I just wonder when pushing themselves that hard, they will go past what the body can take.
I know how it is with guys, you always push harder and harder.
I hope they always measure the risk and do not get carried away.
I think the natural "G Limiter" is that G's are uncomfortable....

lol

so I guess it is a pain tolerance right?
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:11 PM
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Renaud Ecalle's Free Program in that video was incredible. I wasn't really a fan of his rolling 180 at the end, but the rest of the flight was magical. It's easy to see from that video why he was World Champion.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:46 PM
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I think the natural "G Limiter" is that G's are uncomfortable....

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so I guess it is a pain tolerance right?
Not really. It is more a consciousness limit with + G, and a desire for a clean figure with negative G that overrides the discomfort. For me, neither really hurt, but negative is definitely uncomfortable with the added pressure to the head and eyes. I am generally able to push through the pressure by focusing on figure quality...

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FWIW, those outside snaps were incredible. So precise. Definitely a huge loss to the aerobatic community.
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:10 PM
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I did like.... 2'ish negative g's and 3+'ish positive g's....

I didn't like either and have no desire to ever do THAT again!!

lol

I did notice from his vids... the pitch departure is notice'able and distinct for every snap he does.... and I was
a bit s'prised how little Alpha the snap utilized.... for some reason I thought there would be more pitch....

I expect the goal is to use as little pitch as possible (and still be a snap) to make the exit cleaner and reduce energy loss....
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:45 PM
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Not really. It is more a consciousness limit with + G, and a desire for a clean figure with negative G that overrides the discomfort. For me, neither really hurt, but negative is definitely uncomfortable with the added pressure to the head and eyes. I am generally able to push through the pressure by focusing on figure quality...

Scott

FWIW, those outside snaps were incredible. So precise. Definitely a huge loss to the aerobatic community.
LOL.. How about the way that free opened Scott? 2 rolls, opposite 1 1/2 rolls, and a HARD push 1/2 outside loop.

I never worried about the Gs much. My biggest scare in full-scale acro was a push-push-pull lights out situation. The G's weren't that high, but the push, push, followed by a pull put me to sleep pretty easily. Fortunately I woke up with enough time/altitude to regain control and land safely.
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:21 PM
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I love Sean Tucker and have seen him fly in person a couple of times, but every time I watch his videos, I can't help but think about old, bold pilots.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:01 PM
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The big thing with Sean is he APPEARS to be flying wild and reckless, when in fact everything is VERY careful calculated, practiced, and evaluated. His performances never vary even a little bit. He doesn't ad-lib, and is one of the best prepared airshow pilots out there.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:02 PM
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I'm not dissing Sean's flying style....he puts on one hell of a show, but the precision and crispness is missing in his flying. I think this is mostly due to lack of world-level competition experience. 99% of the airshow spectators don't know the difference.....but for those of us who do it adds the final touch to aerobatic flying.

BTW - back in the day, I got to the point where I preferred high negative G's to positive. They're unconfortable but you can't pass out...always a good thing And you're spot on Doug, a hard pull after some hard pushes is "Sleepy" time

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:22 PM
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Really impressive to watch the evolution of full scale freestyle......
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Old 03-19-2012, 07:51 PM
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The funny thing is, these videos were always cool, but until your butt has been strapped into a plane and you do something even remotely like this, you just don't understand.

I had the chance to fly some aerobatics with Jim Bourke in his Yak 54, and we didn't do anything as insane as pictured, but enough that I felt like I got into a bar fight. The bottom of a big loop was insane, inverted flight was painful and amazing and KifeEdge was... well way more interesting that I had anticipated.

A simple fast roll is enough to mess ya up.
So I completely can understand how much force these guys are feeling, and I think they are right up there with the most athletic guys in the world! But I still get nervous watching it.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:57 PM
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Really impressive to watch the evolution of full scale freestyle......
Impressive??.........Its UNREAL! Its happening before our eyes. Watch........They will have 3 to 1 power in twenty years, maybe less. Full scale "high performance" already have the airframes to handle the power. Fully composite, light weight, super rigid and strong. Its going to be crazy!
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