I believe Ali said 27 tweeks(changes)

Originally Posted by Cryhavoc38

They seem to be sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place.
For years they could rely on the Zenoah line, but for decent twins, and for their "factory recommendation" its a tough pill to swallow recommending the buyer to use a DLE, given that Tower/Hobbico are the sole distributors of DLE in the United States.

Their Evo line, which if I remember correctly, are based on the MVVS hardware.
Seems to have a very miniscule following in the US.

Their evolution line started with mvvs hardware and was first rate. They shifted to chinese made engines. same name but quality and price went down...

Originally Posted by Vapor Trails

there is no excitement, rarely anything fresh. Just the same stale re-releases in different sizes.

I agree with this, not much thats really NEW or exciting. I suppose that this point in RC everything has been done. I wish they would make retracts for UMX planes, I dont care to hand launch, and I dont like wheels hanging out of fighters with retracts.

I do know that horizon treats our hobby shops like crap,incentives have been dropped,used to have employee discounts,free shipping used to be to hobby shop only,now if you order online you get the free shipping direct,like they want to compete with tower,margins for hobby shops to make money are way down,hobby shop use to make like 45% on parts,now down to 20%,use to make 30% on arf plane kits now hobby shops make 10% ,how can a hobby shop stay in business let alone continue to stock everything that horizon sells or need to support the stuff needed to keep you flying

a buddy closed his shop as horizon was getting worse and worse to deal with.. its hard to compete with the distributor when they will ship an item to a customer for free but the hobby shop had to have a minimum 1000 order to get free shipping.. no money in brick and mortar anymore...

Originally Posted by Renegadeflyer

The Viking was pretty much just a recovered Beast. It was the same airframe, with a couple of very small tweaks.

False. Go read the Viking tread. You get it strait from the designer.