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Sequences and potential ceiling

Just curious how the IMAC board and sequence committee are approaching the 2020 sequences with what appears to be the new 400 ft limit.
I just haven't seen any discussion from IMAC folks as to how specifically this SIG is handling these restrictions.

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Old 11-23-2019, 08:34 AM
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Really hoping this does not become another thread full of oh no's, what if's and blame.
I can only add that the IMAC board has been pretty involved talking to the FAA and
our senators and staff around the country. The FAA has set up dates for early December
with a formed working group to create a blanket flying site waver in uncontrolled air-
space to allow for higher altitudes 700-1200'. IMAC is pushing for additional wavers to
gain even higher airspace access. Nothing is for sure at this point but it is a positive step
by the FAA and the all volunteer IMAC board.


As I indicated in the beginning of all of this. It is reasonable to think that the FAA will
assume control of our airspaces first and then grant wavers on an as needed basis. I have confidence that sensible and cooler heads will produce good results.
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Old 11-23-2019, 09:24 AM
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I haven't seen much chatter either regarding this, "They" must be keeping whatever conversations they have had private and on a need to know basis. I know the Pattern world has put out a business as usual stance until told otherwise by the AMA. IMO AMA has dropped the ball on this, putting a fair amount of SIG's in jeopardy.
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Old 11-23-2019, 10:02 AM
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A discussion thread about this subject is currently in the members only section of the new IMAC forum.

https://forums.mini-iac.org/forum/im...olled-airspace

Included in this thread is a copy of the official press release that IMAC sent to all of its members addressing the issue. A recent update was also posted regarding how IMAC and other sigs are moving forward together to do whatever is necessary to continue our sport through coordination with AMA and the FAA.
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Old 11-23-2019, 10:34 AM
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Yes you will be able to get waiver .
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:20 AM
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So IMAC is acting independently of the AMA and going direct to the FAA? Interesting.
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Old 11-23-2019, 01:01 PM
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So far, on other threads on FG I have seen several folks offer disdain for the FAA, AMA,
and IMAC leadership. If I where them, I likely wouldn't bother with this particular set of
individuals either. I'd just do what's right and leave them in the dark where they usually reside.
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Sounds like a reasonable solution.
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Old 11-23-2019, 03:30 PM
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So IMAC is acting independently of the AMA and going direct to the FAA? Interesting.
That is news to me. Where did you see that?
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Old 11-23-2019, 03:54 PM
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That is news to me. Where did you see that?
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I can only add that the IMAC board has been pretty involved talking to the FAA and
our senators and staff around the country. The FAA has set up dates for early December
with a formed working group to create a blanket flying site waver in uncontrolled air-
space to allow for higher altitudes 700-1200'. IMAC is pushing for additional wavers to
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Haha, duh. Sometimes it's the simple things.
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I happens sometimes. I didn't see that on the IMAC site as well until it was posted here. I will blame part of that on the IMAC site transition.....
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I do not have access to the press release.... thought I would ask here.....
Care to share the gist of it for those of us that are still on the fence on how to spend our hobby dollars?
Do we actually know how the sanctioning process will now work, knowing that there is no physical way to stay under 400' and to be realistic the 1200' limit/waiver would be a challenge too...
Would a CD need to apply for and receive a waiver before being granted a waiver?

Would contest points count without said waiver?
The board has set a precedence that waivers are not required and changes to contest format can be made at the contest by the CD.... so just curious....
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Old 11-24-2019, 08:10 AM
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Where can I find info either on the FAA site or on the AMA site regarding the 700' to 1200' waiver mentioned?
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Old 11-24-2019, 07:05 PM
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From the IMAC Forum:

Official IMAC press release - As many of you have already heard, AMA has put out the following statement "The FAA unexpectedly informed us that, contrary to earlier commitments to AMA, the agency is planning to limit all recreational model aircraft operations to 400 feet in controlled airspace and there will be no exceptions.” There are people in the FAA who understand our situation and sympathize, but the Air Traffic Operations (ATO), branch inside the FAA, is the group that have put up the resistance.

This development is concerning to the members of our sport. The BOD has been in direct and constant contact with the AMA and continues to request dialogs with the Governmental Affairs group to discuss our on-going concern and paths forward. The BOD has also been in communication with some elected officials to impress on them unintended consequences of this action and the fact that this policy is in direct contrast to the wording of the FAA Re-Authorization ACT which explicitly expresses that a waiver system be in place for permanent recreational model operation.

As for the AMA, we are being advised that we should continue as normal with operations for the immediate future. They will be granting Sanctions for upcoming events, as usual. It is also recommended by the BOD and AMA that CD's pull their sanctions at the earliest opportunity when contests are confirmed with regional schedules and flying sites.

So, for now we consider this to be "business as usual" until we are told something different from the AMA or our elected officials.

We encourage our members to continue to contact their elected leaders. This includes any friendly local leaders who can lobby on our behalf.

As we get more information, we will post it either in a release or on the member forums.


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