From the competition rule book:

17.1: The four (4) Minute Freestyle Program is a "Show Time" separate event. It is an
unrestricted, individually crated sequence in which "Anything Safe Goes!". To be eligible to participate and compete in this event, the competitor must also compete in one of the five IMAC categories of precision sequence flying at the same event.

Originally Posted by Cryhavoc38

Ahh..ok fair enough.
I wasn't using that interpretation in my description.
Poor choice of word on my part.

perhaps "sure fire winner"

I'll agree with you on that!

Originally Posted by dlurvey

I'll agree with you on that!

tis the only way I meant it..

If he wants to fly in the Freestyle round as an unscored Exhibition routine...come on down!!

I think he should get to compete. He did at Molalla without doing the IMAC and that worked out fine.

Originally Posted by dlurvey

From the competition rule book:

17.1: The four (4) Minute Freestyle Program is a "Show Time" separate event. It is an
unrestricted, individually crated sequence in which "Anything Safe Goes!". To be eligible to participate and compete in this event, the competitor must also compete in one of the five IMAC categories of precision sequence flying at the same event.

OK smartypants. Your correct. What about Molalla?

Originally Posted by Bad Dog!

OK smartypants. Your correct. What about Molalla?

Invitational? (He's invited)

Originally Posted by Dan767

Invitational? (He's invited)

Sorry, I was being a bit obtuse. I know Daniel was invited to fly in Molalla. My point was; if Molalla can invite pilots for the freestyle, in violation of the rules, why cant Medford? Just saying.

I met the Holmans in Wenatchee, and I would hate to not have them at any event because the rules interfere with their dedication to their religion. Oliver, my little guy, really enjoyed hanging out with the little Holmans. Hope they can hang out again at the next event.

So, is Eugene off the table? I'm just wondering how I can help if you guys decide the venue should be here.

-Pat

Originally Posted by Cryhavoc38

what do I know, but this is how I see it. For a local IMAC contest, I would only want to see contestants who have been there the whole time, waiting out the downtime between rounds, slugging it out with the other contestants, have the opportunity to be competitive in the freestyle without a ringer skipping out on the IMAC contest, but show up Sunday and take a trophy away from someone who has been grinding/slugging it out since the previous day.

But, I do see Cry's point here. Surely, there can be a happy medium.

Could we do a Half Place. Just above First!

Originally Posted by jlloyd1995

I think he should get to compete. He did at Molalla without doing the IMAC and that worked out fine.

Let me start first by saying Daniel is an asset to the PNW, without question.
His devotion to the tenants of his faith, or "Rules" if you will, is admirable to say the least.

I know the guy wishes that IMAC contests didn't involve flying on saturday. Would it were, for him, that all the rounds were flown on a Friday, or Sunday. I know he'd make every contest available to him and his schedule.


While it could be argued that Molalla, being the "Freestyle Championships" is a different contest.
It may be, within the spirit of this specific Event/competition, for the CD to waive the IMAC rule for Daniel in this case.

However, if you go over the list of Freestyle competitors other than Daniel, each one had competed in the IMAC rounds. Wether or not it "worked out fine"....perhaps ask the 4th place finisher "off the record" if he was cool with it. He might have been and no harm done..

but maybe deep down he would have liked to have had that 3d place trophy.
"shrugs shoulders"


My view is this and its based ONLY on the spirit of the rules, or Tenants if you will, that are not subject to the CD's discretion.

If someone wishes to compete in IMAC officially, including the Freestyle portion, AT THE VERY LEAST said competitors should fly a scored, non freestyle round, on a day that they can attend.

In the case for Molalla, Daniel could have flown the Friday rounds, took zero's for Saturday's rounds, and then killed the Freestyle on Sunday, and would have been within the rules.

Happy Bird Day everyone! Hope you guys can get some flying in. Smacky you around?

Cry,

Very well said.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. We all have so much to be thankful for, not the least of which is this hobby and the family it draws.

This is my read on it:

Every IMAC event must be sanctioned by the AMA. On the sanction form, which the Contest Director will fill out and return to the AMA, is this paragraph:

"I certify that the rule book events will be conducted according to the official Competition Regulations, except for any deviations listed on this card and in the event advertising."

So, as long as the CD lists the deviation in the rules for a invitational freestyle and advertises it for that event in advance, the AMA sanction requirements will be satisfied. The paragraph I quoted is pretty generic in that it applies to all sanctioned AMA events.

IMAC also has its rules that requires that the contest must also be run in accordance with the current IMAC Contest Standards Guide, less any specific exceptions or deviations you cited in the approved contest sanction form. Any deviations from the IMAC Contest Standards Guide and you will need to obtain approval from the Regional Director.

So yes, a contest can have a invitational freestyle event if the Regional director approves, any deviations are noted on the sanction and advertised in advance of the contest (30 days minimum).

Can't we all just have fun.........or along??

Happy Thanksgiving all!!!