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Old 08-20-2011, 08:58 PM
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Bryan was a great guy! He was a lot of fun to talk to when he was at the shop, and he was always so enthusiastic about flying and always had a big grin on his face when he was in his plane.

He will be missed very much!

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Old 08-20-2011, 09:02 PM
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Move the rudder what way ?????
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Prayers for Bryan and family.

I watched the video as well. I turned up the volume very loud. Not sure, but it sounded like a large pop at the top of the last maneuver before the spiral in? Hard to tell if that was something wrong or just background noise where the camera was. Man this sucks, hard to watch it.

God Bless those lost.
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This interview confirms the pop sound.


Aerobatic Pilot Killed In Air Show Crash (4 min 57 sec)
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:01 PM
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Most onlooker interviews are worthless unfortunately. The video sadly looks like a secondary stall during the recovery, but it's very hard to tell much of anything. None of the video seen so far reveals very much.
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:12 PM
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Most onlooker interviews are worthless unfortunately. The video sadly looks like a secondary stall during the recovery, but it's very hard to tell much of anything. None of the video seen so far reveals very much.
To me, that looked like a control system failure. That pilot had flown literally thousands upon thousands of spins and spin recoveries. He was plenty high for a recovery. At no point was there a full recovery from a very loosely developed spin, initially inverted, then upright, but never fully developed. Short of a pilot incapacitation or control system failure, I don't see a reason for this. Frankly, this one screams control system failure to me.

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Old 08-20-2011, 10:15 PM
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Very Sad.....God Speed Bryan
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:17 PM
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...Horrible. RIP Bryan, prayers go out to his family..
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:25 PM
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I just saw some other video Scott. It definitely secondary stalled on the recovery, but I'm not going to speculate why. Control system failure could certainly cause that. He was in an inverted spin that that transitioned to an unright spin with no stopping of rotation at all.

Just to be clear, I'm NOT trying to be insensitive about this at all, I'm just trying to analyze the situation. I did a fair amount of accident investigation with the NTSB when I was an Air Traffic Controller at LA Center years ago.
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:36 PM
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Old 08-20-2011, 11:25 PM
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I just saw some other video Scott. It definitely secondary stalled on the recovery, but I'm not going to speculate why. Control system failure could certainly cause that. He was in an inverted spin that that transitioned to an unright spin with no stopping of rotation at all.

Just to be clear, I'm NOT trying to be insensitive about this at all, I'm just trying to analyze the situation. I did a fair amount of accident investigation with the NTSB when I was an Air Traffic Controller at LA Center years ago.

That was my first opinion. Looked as if he had enough altitude but pulled too hard/too slow(airspeed) but I didn't quite understand how the airplane appeared rotate on the YAW so much. Also, it was hard to judge because of the speed of sound/distance but to me it seemed like he may had paniced a little momentairly cutting the throttle to not lose so much altitude before his last rotation.

It could had been engine failure and pilot error by pulling too hard with insufficent power/speed. Control surface failure and no pilot error... or just pilot error. I am sure the NTSB will sort it all out, sucks reguardless of the cause.
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Old 08-20-2011, 11:36 PM
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Making assumptions on whether he panicked or not is not helpful Ara. There's NO way you can know what's going on in Bryan's head when this is happening. He was a very talented and experienced aerobatic pilot.

FWIW, Beggs/Muller spin recovery technique is throttle off, hands off the stick, opposite rudder until rotation stops. Pulling the throttle is the CORRECT action when initiating spin recovery.
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Old 08-20-2011, 11:47 PM
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Someday we will know, where the pilots go
When their work on earth is through.
Where the air is clean, and the engines gleam,
And the skies are always blue.
They have flown alone, with the engine's moan,
As they sweat the great beyond,
And they take delight, at the awesome sight
of the world spread far and yon.

Yet not alone, for above the moan, when the earth is
out of sight,
As they make their stand, He takes their hand,
and guides them through the night.
How near to God are these men of sod,
Who step near death's last door?
Oh, these men are real, not made of steel,
But He knows who goes before,

And how they live, and love and are beloved,
But their love is most for air.
And with death about, they will still fly out,
And leave their troubles there.
He knows these things, of men with wings,
And He knows they are surely true.
And He will give a hand, to such a man
'Cause He's a pilot too.

Leo Hymas.
God speed Bryan
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Old 08-20-2011, 11:59 PM
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Very sad. It was a tumbling maneuver done at low airspeed that decayed into an inverted spin. It was supposed to have stopped with the plane vertical down and then a quarter loop pullout. It looks like he may have entered with too little airspeed, which caused a sluggish recovery. You could see it go one rotation past where he should have stopped (based on the same maneuver I've seen him perform) and then develop into a plain old inverted spin. I saw the terrible video. You could hear him pull power off for emergency spin recovery after the inverted spin stabilized. Airshow pilots don't normally pull power off to stop a spin. In this case, he had clearly lost control, realized it, and invoked emergency spin recovery (power off). He got the inverted spin stopped on heading, but then pulled hard trying to level out. He might have been fine if the power was in, but with power off, and a hard pull (seeing his critically low altitude) the plane stalled during the pull and entered an upright spin into the ground.
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:25 AM
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Sad news.. not something you expect to see when you log-on. Godspeed Bryan!

Rob I didn't know about Greg Poe till I read your post earlier.
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:24 AM
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Greg passed away on July 24th I believe it was. He had a heart attack. He was a pretty healthy guy too.
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:56 AM
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