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Old 04-30-2019, 01:28 PM
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Well I guess I still don't understand the logic. There are many distinctions with full scale aircraft, each having their own sets of rules, and I see no reason not to have distinctions within the UAS regulations. The FAA is fully capable of understanding and making rules to cover both LOS and BLOS aircraft, and the fact that the AMA won't push that distinction is very short sighted.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:00 PM
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Well I guess I still don't understand the logic. There are many distinctions with full scale aircraft, each having their own sets of rules, and I see no reason not to have distinctions within the UAS regulations. The FAA is fully capable of understanding and making rules to cover both LOS and BLOS aircraft, and the fact that the AMA won't push that distinction is very short sighted.
I must agree with you on this.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:01 PM
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You guys are acting like the AMA included "drones" first.

The FAA from the start never made any distinction other than professional and hobby

The AMA at that time offered to bring them in and educate before they did something that got us all shut down.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:23 PM
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Who is "Josh at Flite Test" and how is he an effective representative for giant scale planes?

He isn't. I was joking. They make Youtube videos of mainlly somewhat humorous RC stuff. Alot of scratch made foam stuff. Entertaining but not NOT effective Giant Scale representation.
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Old 04-30-2019, 04:00 PM
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I would argue that today, Flite Test is more influential than AMA.

AMA has historically mishandled legislative representation for the last 10 years.
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Old 04-30-2019, 04:36 PM
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You're right, 336 was terrible
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Old 04-30-2019, 04:53 PM
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You're right, 336 was terrible
Keyword: WAS

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Old 04-30-2019, 05:38 PM
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Well I guess I still don't understand the logic. There are many distinctions with full scale aircraft, each having their own sets of rules, and I see no reason not to have distinctions within the UAS regulations. The FAA is fully capable of understanding and making rules to cover both LOS and BLOS aircraft, and the fact that the AMA won't push that distinction is very short sighted.
Bottom line is AMA failed to do so early on. End result is Section 349 of P.L. 115-254 which no longer uses the terms "hobby" or "model aircraft". Everything is either civil (Part 107), public (police, fire, etc.) or Recreational sUAS. FAA can only work within the framework established by the Congress.
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Old 04-30-2019, 05:40 PM
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Bottom line is AMA failed to do so early on. End result is Section 349 of P.L. 115-254 which no longer uses the terms "hobby" or "model aircraft". Everything is either civil (Part 107), public (police, fire, etc.) or Recreational sUAS. FAA can only work within the framework established by the Congress.
I think you will see this continuously change over time.
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Old 04-30-2019, 05:47 PM
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You guys are acting like the AMA included "drones" first.

The FAA from the start never made any distinction other than professional and hobby

The AMA at that time offered to bring them in and educate before they did something that got us all shut down.
The mistake AMA made up front was not drawing a clear line for the FAA to discern that the A-10 in your avatar and a Phantom are not the same. Instead AMA tried to be an inclusive "big tent" in hopes of attracting more members, strengthening their sphere of influence, and projecting a larger footprint for the FAA.

336 which the AMA was extremely proud of was quickly turned on its head by every checkbook drone "pilot" who could afford a Phantom or similar drone. Again the AMA tried to coddle this group and convince the FAA that they could help educate and control the rogue drone pilots. That failed.

And now we have Section 349 complete with testing, altitude limits, and permission to operate in controlled airspace replacing the previous inform only approach. Again, none of this was brought on by guys flying planes at AMA club fields.

AMA then brought in MultiGP, the drone racing group, as a SIG. The only one I might add that AMA does not enforce the requirement of ALA AMA SIGs to require AMA membership. MultiGP only "suggests" it for their members. IMAC, NSRCA, NMPRA, LSF, etc., etc. all REQUIRE AMA membership. Not MultiGP and AMA seems not to care. I cannot fathom why, but there it is.
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Old 04-30-2019, 05:56 PM
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Not MultiGP and AMA seems not to care. I cannot fathom why, but there it is.
It’s part of what I affectionately call, “Romancing the Drones”.

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Old 04-30-2019, 08:53 PM
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A.M.A. actually thinks it can boost their membership if they embrace drones, while in truth very few of drone flyers even know of A.M. A.---Smitty
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A.M.A. actually thinks it can boost their membership if they embrace drones, while in truth very few of drone flyers even know of A.M. A.---Smitty
Agreed, and very few even care at all about AMA. The logic behind the concept of membership growth was not followed by some solid analytics so was faulty from day one. What is the percentage of millions of multi-rotor owners have an AMA membership?

You could put join AMA on the outside of the box, join AMA cards inside the box, and even throw in some free memberships, etc., and you would only get a tiny percentage of folks. Most toss the stuff in the trash and move on.

I imagine there are a lot of RC plane flyers out there that simply joined the AMA because it was required by their local RC club in order for them to fly. That was the case for me. This is not to imply that AMA is good or bad, just the facts in my case and some others have told me the same thing when they started flying.

When we look back at all the changes that affected us in years to come, I wonder how many will change their opinions about the AMA and what it has done for the membership and the hobby?
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Old 05-01-2019, 06:55 AM
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Judge and Luchnia (and others) are spot on, very well said could not agree more.

BTW, Jim T Graham wrote an excellent article about trends going back to fixed wing in the new AMA magazine. The first article in that mag I've enjoyed in a while.
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:22 AM
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Judge and Luchnia (and others) are spot on, very well said could not agree more.

BTW, Jim T Graham wrote an excellent article about trends going back to fixed wing in the new AMA magazine. The first article in that mag I've enjoyed in a while.
I just got the mag and haven't had time to read it yet. I will have to take a look at that.
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