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Old 01-26-2013, 03:04 PM
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I'll take that bet , and also say I trust Jason's view enough that I would let my son go out there ..getting out of bed can be a " calculated risk " . My son has been hurt worse playing competitive basketball than riding an 80mph quad ..
I could see Noland and Jonathan out there with a huge smile on their faces
Right on Donnie!
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:10 PM
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A little understanding about the waivers though - The ICAS waiver is what allows pilots to perform aerobatics at airshows at altitudes less than the legal minimum of 1500' AGL. They come in 800', 500', 250', and surface-level restrictions. Jason has a surface waiver. These waivers must be continually renewed by a designated ACE (aerobatic competency evaluator).

However, these ICAS waivers ONLY allow a pilot to fly aerobatic below 1,500' AGL inside waivered airspace, at an airshow. There must also be an FAA waivered aerobatic box active, which is separate from a pilot's personal ICAS waiver. The ICAS waiver alone doesn't allow you to do anything. Waivered aerobatic boxes can either be semi-permanent, or temporary. Temporary boxes are used for airshows and aerobatic contests. Semi-permanent "practice" boxes are established by pilots who wish to continually have the ability to activate a box and practice aerobatics at altitudes less than 1500' AGL...or besides the altitude rule, to waive an FAR that would otherwise prohibit aerobatic flight in the area.

You don't need an ICAS waiver to fly in a waivered aerobatic box - it just can't be at an airshow. Otherwise, anyone who reads and signs the waiver can practice in the box, whether they have aerobatic experience or not. The "waiver" in question here is the practice box at the airport, not Jason's ICAS surface waiver. And in the FAA waiver application, you can request which FARs you want waived (besides the altitude requirement). We waive about 4 for aerobatic contest boxes. Airshows will waive others...the 500' rule, among other things, if ribbon cuts, or "transfer" acts are involved.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:07 PM
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That's a pretty great explanation. There is a box where I fly at a class D airport and immediately surrounded by class C. There are several guys that fly airshows that use it pretty regularly as well as the weekend warriors who just enjoy throwing their toys around. It's pretty cool to have it and as I understand, takes a lot to keep it up. As such, they have zero tolerance for anyone not following the rules. Can't say that I blame them. I hope one day to be able to put that box to use myself.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:19 PM
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With all respect , I make another bet , you don't have kids yet
How much???? Even thou you would never pay up. Put your money where your mouth is buddy.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:21 AM
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You're a lot older than me Mark, so why aren't you dead yet? At 54 it seems like you've made your choice and it wasn't to die young.
I have raced in motocross for years( I was still jumping the 70' triple at Lake Elsinore at age 42. I have rode streetbikes since i was 15.I've raced Pwc's up to pro level for many years, I have flown aerobatics in full scale, so I have in fact led a very exciting life not to mention hanging with all my Rc buddies. I've supported all 5 of my children racing in motor sports and now my 5 year old grandson has a dirt bike and I will support him if he decides to race. I stand by my opinion, I've earned it

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Old 01-27-2013, 12:39 AM
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Didn't race hard enough, apparently. Enjoy the cheap Denny's menu.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:53 AM
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:55 AM
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More like an airborne limo, actually. It pays for my Stinson and RV-7 projects.

Is it true you cussed out a kid at Nall for flying too dangerous?
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:02 AM
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:06 AM
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Sure about that?

I didn't know that you owned an MXS and Eagle 580, Mark. That's pretty awesome.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:13 AM
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And you can keep driving an airborne bus��
Ouch!
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:20 AM
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Ouch!
It's a limo
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:45 AM
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It's a limo
Indeed.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:34 AM
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How much???? Even thou you would never pay up. Put your money where your mouth is buddy.
Wow , that was a nice contribution from you to this topic , you must be proud
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:51 AM
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Indeed.

Yep , and I 'm sure he has a big grin on his face when he takes off and lands that LIMO
and last but not least I know who 's happy at the end of the month when he receives his paycheck
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