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Old 10-07-2019, 07:22 PM
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This is why you do not send STUPID back to office. They got us in to this mess. I find it hard to believe that sending them back to do more of the same is good for us or the hobby.
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:27 PM
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Unfortunately I don't really trust the AMA any longer and question the wording and whether or not it's in my best interest to send the email. More specific my concern is with "uncontrolled" vs "controlled" airspace. I thought all along it would be difficult to get the FAA to waive the 400' limit in controlled airspace. Our club is in uncontrolled airspace, and I don't know if I want to send a blanket message fighting for controlled airspace, which might be a mute point.


This wording is in the AMA's response; "... and instead will simply impose a blanket 400-foot altitude limit on recreational UAS operations at our fixed flying sites in controlled airspace and capping operations in uncontrolled airspace." What does "capping operations" mean?


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Old 10-07-2019, 07:28 PM
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Scroll down to Section 349

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...2%22%5D%7D&r=1
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:29 PM
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Good Lord. Look at the UAS map before stirring the pot.
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:31 PM
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UWhat does "capping operations" mean?


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It means enforcing Section 349

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``(5) In Class B, Class C, or Class D airspace or within the
lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace
designated for an airport, the operator obtains prior
authorization from the Administrator or designee before
operating and complies with all airspace restrictions and
prohibitions.

``(6) In Class G airspace, the aircraft is flown from the
surface to not more than 400 feet above ground level and
complies with all airspace restrictions and prohibitions.
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:46 PM
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You are seriously misinformed. Congress passed this into law last year. Section 349 IS law. It establishes 8 conditions that, if followed, exempts us from complying with Part 107. There is no other action that needs to happen. There is no bill pending, no new rules coming, etc.

This IS active law.
It is active law, you are correct in this regard. BUT there are stipulations in place that the FAA has to work with the AMA/CBO's . There is no hard line all across the board for us AMA members. Therefore, this is not an active restriction for AMA members, as the law indicates that the restriction falls upon the AMA's guidelines. You can say it all you want, but as far we as the AMA body are concerned, we have been promised, face to face by senators (senators who routinely work with and advocate for the AMA), that the FAA is required to work with us to implement amicable laws. There is nothing set in stone at present for AMA. This information is coming directly from an AMA government relations officer.

Now if you're joe-shmoe out flying without AMA then yeah, you're legally required to fly under 400ft. Sorry buddy, nothing we can do for you there.

Keep in mind the FAA had absolutely NO desire to poke at us in any way, they were forced by DOD, SS, ect. They want nothing to do with this in the first place.
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:48 PM
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Pretty sure that encompasses all airspace...
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:49 PM
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Unfortunately I don't really trust the AMA any longer and question the wording and whether or not it's in my best interest to send the email. More specific my concern is with "uncontrolled" vs "controlled" airspace. I thought all along it would be difficult to get the FAA to waive the 400' limit in controlled airspace. Our club is in uncontrolled airspace, and I don't know if I want to send a blanket message fighting for controlled airspace, which might be a mute point.


This wording is in the AMA's response; "... and instead will simply impose a blanket 400-foot altitude limit on recreational UAS operations at our fixed flying sites in controlled airspace and capping operations in uncontrolled airspace." What does "capping operations" mean?


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Scott, keep in mind the entire reason we as modelers are under fire is because we failed to enact the last time something like this came up. The AMA has pooled as much effort as they possibly could have to fight the government in manners that most of us can't possibly understand, but now the time has come for us to speak up. A single entity cannot speak for their entire masses when the masses have the stronger voice. If you truly care about this hobby then you need to speak up and let your voice be heard. You need to tell them that you do not agree with this blanket altitude restriction and that you want more reasonable laws in place that don't offer restrictions that hurt aspects of the hobby, regardless of whether or not you participate in them. It is absolutely in your best interest to speak up. It takes less than a minute to do.
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:52 PM
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It is active law, you are correct in this regard. BUT there are stipulations in place that the FAA has to work with the AMA/CBO's .
This is what Section 349 says about CBO

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``(2) The aircraft is operated in accordance with or within
the programming of a community-based organization's set of
safety guidelines that are developed in coordination with the
Federal Aviation Administration.


and
``(i) Recognition of Community-based Organizations.--In
collaboration with aeromodelling stakeholders, the Administrator shall
publish an advisory circular within 180 days of the date of enactment of
this section that identifies the criteria and process required for
recognition of community-based organizations.''.
Again, you seriously do not understand section 349. Please read it.

Also look at AC -9157B which outlines how FAA is implementing 349
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:54 PM
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Sorry Judge, this is where we will agree to disagree
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:07 PM
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So much for the AMA telling us everything is going to be OK.

But this is no surprise. AMA is once again "Stunned" that the FAA is going to follow the letter of the law.
So after all this time you still don't understand that the AMA is not the government and Only Knows as much as they fight to find out or be told.
And since when can you rely anyone on the government to tell us the truth or the AMA the truth for that matter?

So we can either tuck our tails and cry like a bunch of babies about it or we can fight by sending in the commentary and making our points known and shown in numbers.
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:13 PM
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So after all this time you still don't understand that the AMA is not the government .

You misunderstand my position. AMA has been in a state of denial for some time. They keep telling us that "they are working closely with the FAA" in order to placate their membership. I have long thought this was nonsense.

Congress wrote a law (Section 349). It was signed into law. nd now the FAA is finishing implementation. AMA has been completely ineffective, which is no surprise at all.
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:22 PM
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400 is pretty far up there. Most probably never fly above 250-300 anyway. No biggie.
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:27 PM
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400’ is pretty far up there. Most probably never fly above 250-300’ anyway. No biggie.
Exactly, it is still government over reach so don't forget to let them know it
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:28 PM
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400 is pretty far up there. Most probably never fly above 250-300 anyway. No biggie.
Wrong!
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