Originally Posted by ghoffman

Could someone please explain how this competition works?

Yes......

The Competition works as follows:

CPLR Wins his last WC in Schweissland
Onda places Second but maybe he has placed second enough???????? Nope not in EU!
AJ places Third
Bruckmann stuns the world with Fourth in his 1st WC

Any questions?

F3A is hard but the results require google, a geography lesson and the keen understanding that chicks will be non existent within a 25nm radius of this sausage fest!

Dammit, red vine talking while watching top gun on cable trying to memorize TAS Knowns! U know....the finger I hate it when it does that!

common Ryan, tell me I'm wrong? I dare you!

judged contests... politics and name plays more of a factor in the results than most participators want to admit.

Ramon Alonso Factor always possible!

Next logical question........Who the f is Ramon Alonso? Or Who the f is Zack H?
They are World Champs Man!

Originally Posted by theKM

judged contests... politics and name plays more of a factor in the results than most participators want to admit.

Sounds like the RC version of F1.

Actually, that's pretty accurate.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Yes......

The Competition works as follows:

CPLR Wins his last WC in Schweissland
Onda places Second but maybe he has placed second enough???????? Nope not in EU!
AJ places Third
Bruckmann stuns the world with Fourth in his 1st WC

Any questions?

F3A is hard but the results require google, a geography lesson and the keen understanding that chicks will be non existent within a 25nm radius of this sausage fest!

Dammit, red vine talking while watching top gun on cable trying to memorize TAS Knowns! U know....the finger I hate it when it does that!

common Ryan, tell me I'm wrong? I dare you!

I had the opportunity to judge him at the Bealton contest in May and he was flying very well. Go Joseph go! On another note, another pilot stood out that did very well at the NATS in FAI . Great job Joey H!

Bill Holsten

Originally Posted by Ryan Smith

That's actually very impressive. I've not seen Joseph fly this year, but I know he's been out every day practicing. TBL not having been factored yet because everyone has not flown against everyone else, all placements will change drastically, but for reference, he scored higher than Koji Suzuki on that round...who has made the finals every year for the past decade or more.

I remember the controversy surrounding one of his P flights in South Africa where the judges scored him a '5' on a half loop...errors so gross that Joseph wouldn't make even on his worst day. Glad to see things turning around for him at this level.

J.S is hanging tough! You go youngman!

Bill Holsten

Originally Posted by Beavis

Yes......

The Competition works as follows:

CPLR Wins his last WC in Schweissland
Onda places Second but maybe he has placed second enough???????? Nope not in EU!
AJ places Third
Bruckmann stuns the world with Fourth in his 1st WC

Any questions?

F3A is hard but the results require google, a geography lesson and the keen understanding that chicks will be non existent within a 25nm radius of this sausage fest!

Dammit, red vine talking while watching top gun on cable trying to memorize TAS Knowns! U know....the finger I hate it when it does that!

common Ryan, tell me I'm wrong? I dare you!

So True.... But you could say the same about:

-IMAC Nats = Koelling
-Clover Creek = Noll
-TAS = Leseburg

TAS will be interesting this year since its been a few years.

Go Team USA!!

Wow, I just checked results and through the prelims with TBL (I can't explain how it works, maybe Ryan can...) 15 year old Junior member Joseph Szczur ended in 6th place! Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the top 30 advance to the semis, with all four US flyers through, and then the top 10 go to the finals.

1) Paysant- Le Roux (France)
2) Onda (Japan)
3) Andrew Jesky (USA)
4) Kaiser (Germany)
5) Bruckman (Austria)
6) Joseph Szczur (USA)
7) Jason Shulman (USA)
8) Suzuki (Japan)

Other notable:
14) Silvestri
15) Wickizer
19) Northeast
21) Matt

It works by magic. Which is a fancy word for higher math.

Basically, TBL is a system that was devised by three gentleman/statistician - Tarasov, Bauer, and Long. In a nutshell, TBL normalizes scores against all pilots by eliminating judging bias mathematically and spitting out a true assessment of the flight. It generally works pretty well, and you'll see some slight shifting of scores, but nothing major.

Originally Posted by dmichael

Wow, I just checked results and through the prelims with TBL (I can't explain how it works, maybe Ryan can...) 15 year old Junior member Joseph Szczur ended in 6th place! Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the top 30 advance to the semis, with all four US flyers through, and then the top 10 go to the finals.

1) Paysant- Le Roux (France)
2) Onda (Japan)
3) Andrew Jesky (USA)
4) Kaiser (Germany)
5) Bruckman (Austria)
6) Joseph Szczur (USA)
7) Jason Shulman (USA)
8) Suzuki (Japan)

Other notable:
14) Silvestri
15) Wickizer
19) Northeast
21) Matt

A pretty good explanation of how TBL works can be found here:
http://www.ofremmi.info/F3A/TBL/TBL%...nation%201.pdf

Do they restart scores for the semi finals or do they a carry over

Originally Posted by Outlaw Pops

Do they restart scores for the semi finals or do they a carry over

Here is a good explanation:

http://teamusa2015.weebly.com/home/t...of-the-prelims

The relevant section is cut and pasted here:

F3A World Championship consists of 3 stages.

Stage 1, the Prelims, consists of 4 rounds of flying the P-15 Sequence (found here http://nsrca.us/index.php/call-sheet...ti/p-15-aresti ). Because of the number of contestants (101 pilots from 35 countries) the pilots are divided into 4 groups. 20 judges are also divided into 4 groups of 5 judges each (Panels 1-4). Over the course of 4 days, each pilot group will fly one round in front of each judge panel until everyone has flown in front of every judge (something we refer to as “Equal Exposure”. )

The scores that you’re seeing are the composite scores of the judge panel for a particular flight. IMPORTANT NOTE: For display purposes ONLY… the scores you’re currently seeing have had the highest, and the lowest score dropped for each maneuver. The final results will utilize ALL 5 judges scores, but will use a system called TBL to statistically eliminate both conscious and unconscious bias, but since that can not be calculated until all 4 rounds are complete, eliminating highs and lows is thought to most closely match those result. What we’re currently seeing in the scores is ONLY meant to provide an indication of the outcome. The final outcome after day 4 scores may change, but likely not significantly.

The preliminary stage will keep the best 3 out of 4 normalized scores. ( Normalization takes each score and divides it by the highest score for that round, such that the high score for the round will have 1000 (1.000) and all the other scores will reflect a percentage of that high score. This makes all the rounds equal in weight.) Once all four rounds are complete, and the lowest round for each competitor is dropped, the remaining 3 rounds are combined into a single composite score.


Stage 2 – Semi-Finals. The top 30% (in this case 30 pilots) will advance to the Semi-finals where each pilot will fly 2 rounds of the F-17 sequence ( http://nsrca.us/index.php/call-sheet...ti/f-15-aresti ). This will be flown completely on Friday. Of the prelim score, and the 2 semi-final scores, the best 2 of three will be kept to determine the top ten pilots.

Stage 3 – Finals. The final’s begins a brand new contest. No prior scores are carried over or have any impact on the outcome. The finals consisted of 4 flights. 2 flights of the F-17 sequence, of which each pilot will keep their best normalized score. And 2 flights of two different UNKNOWN sequences, BOTH of which must be kept. The unknown sequences are created the evening prior to the finals so that there is no opportunity to practice them in advance. The maneuvers are chosen from a catalog of over 600 existing maneuvers and are typically extremely difficult.

If I read this correctly......best prelim plus 2 best semi equals total for advancement to finals