logo
Thread Tools
Old 06-12-2007, 02:39 PM
Dangerous Dan is offline
Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Registered User
Dangerous Dan's Avatar
United States, TX, Gainesville
Joined Jan 2006
3,929 Posts
foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

Cardens have foam core wings.

Aerotech has foam core wings

When Tony bought out the Von Extra Line and Made it Dalton his first change was foam core wings.

It has been stated that several 40% arf manufactures possibly have had problems with built up wings.

The new QQ Yaks have Built up wings

Wildhare 41% has foam core wings

42% AW QB Extra 260 has built up wings.

I heard from a reliable source that a majior player in the root cause of failures in some 42% AW wings is the fact that the wings were moved slightly forward to enhance aerobatic performance, When the wings were moved forward the wing tube was no longer located between the main spars.

I believe AW is sending out new wings(built up) to everyone who has a 42% wether the customer has has a problem or not. This is good Customer service.


I have heard Great Things about how the AW 42% 260 flies.

I guess what I am saying is, should AW go to a foam core wing and suffer a very small weight penality but gain a huge amount of strength, or should they try and fix the built up wings on the next production run?

Personally I would prefer a Foam core Wing on Version 2.

Should QQ Consider foam core on his 120" Yaks


Where did the Poll button GO?
Dangerous Dan is offline Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sign up now
to remove ads between posts
Old 06-12-2007, 02:40 PM
Dangerous Dan is offline
Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Registered User
Dangerous Dan's Avatar
United States, TX, Gainesville
Joined Jan 2006
3,929 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

All Just trying to start a civil discussion on wing strength, please keep it that way!
Dangerous Dan is offline Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 02:43 PM
Cracky is offline
Find More Posts by Cracky
WHATS CRACKALAKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cracky's Avatar
Wentzville, MO
Joined Jan 2006
9,312 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

Which is easier to build for the ARF makers? Is it strictly a weight issue?
Cracky is offline Find More Posts by Cracky
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 02:43 PM
Mark Dennis is offline
Find More Posts by Mark Dennis
Robot Babysitter
Mark Dennis's Avatar
United States, CO, Longmont
Joined Jan 2006
1,234 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

Just to clear things up the 42% wings have been redesighned and will be as strong as ever. Wood wings can be just as strong as foam wings and we have taken the steps to make them more than strong enough.
Mark Dennis is offline Find More Posts by Mark Dennis
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 02:45 PM
Mark Dennis is offline
Find More Posts by Mark Dennis
Robot Babysitter
Mark Dennis's Avatar
United States, CO, Longmont
Joined Jan 2006
1,234 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

Quote:
Originally Posted by dgfick View Post
Which is easier to build for the ARF makers? Is it strictly a weight issue?

Wood wings are easier but the big issue is that over time the phenolics become loose in the foam wings and may cause them to fail. This is why we got away from them on the new QB planes.
Mark Dennis is offline Find More Posts by Mark Dennis
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 02:47 PM
porcupineace is offline
Find More Posts by porcupineace
Joined Feb 2007
1,223 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

*
porcupineace is offline Find More Posts by porcupineace
Last edited by porcupineace; 06-14-2007 at 05:09 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 02:51 PM
Cracky is offline
Find More Posts by Cracky
WHATS CRACKALAKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cracky's Avatar
Wentzville, MO
Joined Jan 2006
9,312 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Dennis View Post
Wood wings are easier but the big issue is that over time the phenolics become loose in the foam wings and may cause them to fail. This is why we got away from them on the new QB planes.
Ok, so its not just a weight issue. Thats good to know.
Cracky is offline Find More Posts by Cracky
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 02:52 PM
Dangerous Dan is offline
Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Registered User
Dangerous Dan's Avatar
United States, TX, Gainesville
Joined Jan 2006
3,929 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Dennis View Post
Just to clear things up the 42% wings have been redesighned and will be as strong as ever. Wood wings can be just as strong as foam wings and we have taken the steps to make them more than strong enough.

That is great news, I have a set of 42% Von Extra built up wings in my shed that I am afraid to use.

I had a CMP 72" Katana with built up wings that broke in flight, it was because the balsa sheer webing was the wrong direction.

Do you get to choose built up or wood or does it depend only on what factory Builds the planes?

I would love to see built up wings of the future be as strong as foam core, great job!
Dangerous Dan is offline Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 02:56 PM
Mark Dennis is offline
Find More Posts by Mark Dennis
Robot Babysitter
Mark Dennis's Avatar
United States, CO, Longmont
Joined Jan 2006
1,234 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

We can chooses most of the time. The other issue we sometimes see with the foam wings are that they have a higher chance of not being built strait due to them warping as they change from climate to climate.
Mark Dennis is offline Find More Posts by Mark Dennis
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 03:01 PM
porcupineace is offline
Find More Posts by porcupineace
Joined Feb 2007
1,223 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

!
porcupineace is offline Find More Posts by porcupineace
Last edited by porcupineace; 06-14-2007 at 05:08 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 03:01 PM
Dangerous Dan is offline
Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Registered User
Dangerous Dan's Avatar
United States, TX, Gainesville
Joined Jan 2006
3,929 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan View Post
I heard from a reliable source that a majior player in the root cause of failures in some 42% AW wings is the fact that the wings were moved slightly forward to enhance aerobatic performance, When the wings were moved forward the wing tube was no longer located between the main spars.

I believe AW is sending out new wings(built up) to everyone who has a 42% wether the customer has has a problem or not. This is good Customer service.


Mark

I Quoted myself above, curiously am I a way off base or is my statements true?

If so what are you doing to make them stronger?
Dangerous Dan is offline Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 03:22 PM
Mark Dennis is offline
Find More Posts by Mark Dennis
Robot Babysitter
Mark Dennis's Avatar
United States, CO, Longmont
Joined Jan 2006
1,234 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan View Post
Mark

I Quoted myself above, curiously am I a way off base or is my statements true?

If so what are you doing to make them stronger?

You are correct. Were will be tying the tube,spars, and shear webbing all into eachother like they were on the prototypes. We made this fix on my wings here at the shop and have had great success!
And yes everyone will be getting new wings and we have contacted everyone who has the plane and have told them not to fly until the new wings arrive.
Mark Dennis is offline Find More Posts by Mark Dennis
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 03:24 PM
Dangerous Dan is offline
Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Registered User
Dangerous Dan's Avatar
United States, TX, Gainesville
Joined Jan 2006
3,929 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Dennis View Post
You are correct. Were will be tying the tube,spars, and shear webbing all into eachother like they were on the prototypes. We made this fix on my wings here at the shop and have had great success!
And yes everyone will be getting new wings and we have contacted everyone who has the plane and have told them not to fly until the new wings arrive.
Bravo
Dangerous Dan is offline Find More Posts by Dangerous Dan
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 03:28 PM
porcupineace is offline
Find More Posts by porcupineace
Joined Feb 2007
1,223 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

!
porcupineace is offline Find More Posts by porcupineace
Last edited by porcupineace; 06-14-2007 at 05:08 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 06-12-2007, 03:32 PM
Lance J. is offline
Find More Posts by Lance J.
I've got walley vision
Lance J.'s Avatar
United States, IA, Iowa City
Joined Feb 2007
119 Posts
Re: foam Vs Built up on 40% ARF

And yes everyone will be getting new wings and we have contacted everyone who has the plane and have told them not to fly until the new wings arrive.[/quote]

when will that be?
Lance J. is offline Find More Posts by Lance J.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message


Quick Reply
Message:


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Category Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Foamy Season is here - Milling Depron Foam -> A How To Matchless Foamies 98 04-01-2010 10:43 PM
arf or scrach built fly boy Chit Chat 13 01-17-2008 03:25 AM
$100 off JTEC Radiowave 40% Extra 330 ARF & 35% Panzl ARF Kevin Y What's Hot 14 10-24-2006 12:27 PM
The GREAT "Let's fly foam where we shouldn't" Thread! madmax General Discussion - Electrics 18 05-19-2006 03:10 PM
Worlds largest ARF Built in only 7 minutes. JeeUm General Discussion 30 03-28-2006 04:39 PM