Thanks Wayne, Curtis and Joe, as an old member of IAC Chapter 88 up here in Michigan it reminded me of the good times we use to have going to an IAC contest. I had to look up as to when there was a contest coming to our area and found out that on the weekend of July 8-9 there is one in Bay City MI. I have started to talk it up with some of my buddies into going. For those who have not been to a IAC contest, you owe it to yourself, it's great fun to see the similarities and minor differences between scale and full scale. And if you ask to help, they will take you right in, and you will get a great inside look on how they run a contest.
Thanks again,
Tom

great write up guys, and thanks for taking time to report. i guess, its true in their world as well - you have 'pay to play', lol...they should have IAC classes for folks that can only afford to have ultralights (J/K, couldn't resist)

Originally Posted by jraycut

great write up guys, and thanks for taking time to report. i guess, its true in their world as well - you have 'pay to play', lol...they should have IAC classes for folks that can only afford to have ultralights (J/K, couldn't resist)

Well Joe... There was a slick and powerful Extra 330 flying in Sportsman, against the Pitts and a Van RV .... And we could definitely tell the difference in vertical penetration between them. AND there was no complaints OR limitations in the rules. So........ THERE!!! That was for all the complainers... not you.

Right on!! ��

Wayne I am interested in the part you mentioned about the IAC gentalman contacting iMac about an even and being disappointed with the result... any details of that and why iMac would not jump on that? I would guess when it happened you were the president or just before you, I know you had quite a stint as president

Originally Posted by Carruthers43

Wayne I am interested in the part you mentioned about the IAC gentalman contacting iMac about an even and being disappointed with the result... any details of that and why iMac would not jump on that? I would guess when it happened you were the president or just before you, I know you had quite a stint as president

It actually happened just a few months ago, Matt. LONG AFTER my presidency.

Originally Posted by wmat7039

It actually happened just a few months ago, Matt. LONG AFTER my presidency.

oh the way you said it, seemed like it was some time ago... i am just wondering what could have happened to not get a good response... seems odd that is why i asked i know you would have jumped at it.. you did a lot of good promoting and that is what got me hooked... by the way my wife hates you... just joking of course

Originally Posted by Carruthers43

. seems odd that is why i asked i know you would have jumped at it.. you did a lot of good promoting and that is what got me hooked... by the way my wife hates you... just joking of course

Yes... I am ALL for being close to the IAC and had developed a close working relationship with them. There were a few mutual projects that were discussed and I wrote a detailed letter to them and gave a copy to the incoming BOD in 2015 for follow up action.

Yes... I fully understand about your wife.
Wayne

Nice write up Wayne! I'll edit with some other comments when I get to a keyboard.

Earle

Originally Posted by flyinryans

Patty was not there flying. I don't know who was flying the plane though. Robert Armstrong was there. He is a former Unlimited Champion I believe. He was not competing . He did go up and do what they call "showing the low lines". They fly the lower limits of the aerobatic box for each class so that the judges can get a good reference for that. I would assume it's a zero or a big deduction if they fly lower. Anyways Robert Armstrong flew these lines for one class and did a small routine while he was up there. Amazing how precise he was.

When I was flying IAC there were two....well actually three....penalties for flying LOW. First was a call of "LOW", which had a point deduction from the pilots' raw score (points were based on category). A LOW call is made when the pilot is judged to be flying lower than the appropriate "floor" of that category's box.

Next was a LOW LOW call (again majority) where the pilot was WELL below the floor...ie... NO QUESTION about it! I've forgotten what the point penalty was for this one (it's been over 25 years).

The "third penalty" is the most severe......hitting the ground!!!

BTW - The first flight of any competitor is also a "qualification flight"....in that a pilot who, in the opinion of the judges clearly is in over their head (too high a category for their skill), or is exhibiting lack of control and flying in an unsafe manner can be disqualified from further flying at that contest. I've seen it happen more than once.

Originally Posted by wmat7039

Well Joe... There was a slick and powerful Extra 330 flying in Sportsman, against the Pitts and a Van RV .... And we could definitely tell the difference in vertical penetration between them. AND there was no complaints OR limitations in the rules. So........ THERE!!! That was for all the complainers... not you.

BINGO.....if you have the skills and the plane can do the maneuvers then go for it! I've seen a clipped-wing Cub pilot put a hurtin on Pitts and Extra pilots too many times. Kinda like a Big Stick vs Carden contest....lol

Wayne....on the pilot who flew close and a small footprint.....we always said if you flew well fly close so the judges could see it....if not move up and out. The actual box sets the footprint limit though, and there are only "OUT" penalties, no airspace control score. In unlimited most of the horizontal flight time passed very quickly when using the entire box. OUT penalties can be costly.....in the 1990 IAC Championship I incurred two OUT penalties in the unknown, costing me 60 points. I was 2nd, by 6 points, out of over 14,000 total points.

Ahhh.....the memories!

WOW, Earle, that was a close race....UNTIL, you went out!

I have met several IAC pilots moving to IMAC after they decided to move on. And, I am sure we could garner even more if proper attention was paid to the variety of opportunities that exist for closer relationships.

At one stage, we (IAC/IMAC) discussed the possibility of "cross judging" at contests to probe how well it could work between both organizations. This was also tackled in my letter to the IAC. However, I have not seen/heard of any further developments. My Assistant Chief Judge at the 2014 IMAC World Championship was an accredited IAC judge....... so that gives you an idea of how much I respect their organization.
Wayne

Originally Posted by JuStOnE

The actual box sets the footprint limit though, and there are only "OUT" penalties, no airspace control score.

This is true... but there was no one at the "back side" of the box....

and I noticed that there IS a presentation score added to each pilots score sheet.

Originally Posted by exeter_acres

This is true... but there was no one at the "back side" of the box....

and I noticed that there IS a presentation score added to each pilots score sheet.

what was explained to me was that each line judge, sat at the corners of the box......one sat at the rear and the other at the opposite front. In effect, each was judging two sides of the box at the same time. This is an efficient use of line judges.
Wayne

Originally Posted by exeter_acres

This is true... but there was no one at the "back side" of the box....

and I noticed that there IS a presentation score added to each pilots score sheet.

Ahhhh....new score for this Old Guy!

Originally Posted by wmat7039

what was explained to me was that each line judge, sat at the corners of the box......one sat at the rear and the other at the opposite front. In effect, each was judging two sides of the box at the same time. This is an efficient use of line judges.
Wayne

Yes....that's the usual setup.....two judges on on diagonal corners. The device they sit under is surveyed for proper orientation and vertical alignment of the two wires used as a sight. One judge can then look down two sides of the box. When a plane approaches the side they align their eye with the two wires and call an out if the entire aircraft crosses the line during that or subsequent maneuvers. The far corner line judging station was often out in the boonies!!!

Originally Posted by JuStOnE

Ahhhh....new score for this Old Guy!

Yes....that's the usual setup.....two judges on on diagonal corners. The device they sit under is surveyed for proper orientation and vertical alignment of the two wires used as a sight. One judge can then look down two sides of the box. When a plane approaches the side they align their eye with the two wires and call an out if the entire aircraft crosses the line during that or subsequent maneuvers. The far corner line judging station was often out in the boonies!!!

Is there a diagram of that "wire" device that can be downloaded? I still think the idea of a "box" in IMAC has merit!!