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Old 01-02-2006, 11:51 PM
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Walbro carb Resetting

Can anybody help me reset my walbro carb back to its factory settings. ITs mounted on an old style engine with a magneto. Dont exactly know what the brand of the engine is cause it was given by a freind. I can seem to get the engine have a steady idle so i tweaked it too much. Now the engines power range seems to be all screwed up. Almost no band change from mid to high. The freind who gave this to me told me that he never used it before and said that i should break in the engine. I've had about 30 flights on it. I think that the problem might be due to its not broken in. But i really need help restoring the setting to factory so i can continue my break in.
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Old 01-03-2006, 01:18 AM
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Re: Walbro carb Resetting

Its got to be very close at 3/4 turn out on bottom and 1 1/4 out on top.
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Old 01-03-2006, 01:19 AM
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I had a nice reply on Walbros but it got swallowed with the rest of the Cirkus, Just posted about 3 days ago maybe..
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Old 01-03-2006, 01:47 AM
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Re: Walbro carb Resetting

I had recently copied this from the Cirkus forum from Xipp. This may help,

Carbs aren't too difficult to tune up if you know what you're doing. First of all, you need to know how the carb works and how the settings interact with each other. About 95% of all the airplanes I've seen at the field are somewhat out of tune. How can I tell this? Simple, at some point the engines "four cycle" in flight. Two Cycle engines are not supposed to "four cycle" PERIOD. This is caused by a rich mixture that is forcing the sparkplug to intermittantly miss making it sound like a four stroke. This is not good. HOWEVER the good news is; gasoline two stroke engines are very very tollerant of rich settings (most of the time) and will run fine. You'll just consume a little more gasoline than necessary, and create a little more oil mess on your plane. You may eventually foul your spark plug as well. So why do so many people leave their engines tuned like this? Simple answer, the engine will start much easier when it's cold AND there's little or no warm up time needed prior to flying. Those are pretty good reasons! But the fact is... the engine is not running like it's supposed to.

(1) The lowend needle on a Walbro carb is ALWAYS the one closest to the engine, the highend needle is the closest one to the intake/choke.

(2) There is no fuel adjustment for idle fuel, only air feed set by the idle stop or servo.

(3) Both lowend AND highend needles feed the topend fuel supply.

Let's tune up a Walbro!

Set the lowend & highend needles to about 1 to 1 1/2 turns each. Choke the carb or prime it, until the carb is wet. Fire up the engine and let it warm up. Let's set the topend first since it's the easier of the two. Go to full throttle. Adjust the topend needle for peak RPM. Leave it wide open for about a minute to see if it changes any. Should the engine go lean, open the lowend needle slightly, if this dosen't work... you will have to adjust the needle valve inside the carb.( I will explain this later) If the topend runs OK, then slowly pull the throttle down until the engine begins to "four cycle" hold the throttle there. Adjust the lowend needle until the "four cycling" stops. Now lower the throttle more until it "four cycles" again, and adjust the lowend again. Keep doing this until you reach full idle. Now, from full idle begin to throttle up until the engine starts to bog or hesitate. Open up the topend needle just enough to eliminate the bog or hesitation.

When this is done right, you will be able to set the throttle in any position and it won't four cycle, plus you will be able to transition from idle to full power without any hesitation at all.


Ok this is for people who need a little insite into how a carburetor works in this case i will be useing a Walbro for example.

Starting from the gas tank, the fuel is pumped from the fuel tank and enters the carb through the inlet. The fuel works its way through the fuel pump through a little diaphragm pump that's controlled by 2 one way valves (little flaps). The fuel then passes through a needle & seat that is controlled by the "float" diaphragm. This "float" diaphragm manages how much fuel is available for the idle, low-speed, and high-speed throttle positions. The "float" diaphragm opens & closes the needle through a small lever attached to the needle. The fuel is then "standing by" waiting in the float area for a vacuum signal at the various jets. The lever setting is very critical since it controls the available fuel to the jets. If the lever is too low, the engine will run lean, if the lever is too high, the engine will run very rich and will likely flood out at idle
The fuel starts its journey through the pump assembly first...

Then the fuel is regulated by the float diaphragm that controls the needle & seat.

All of these parts reside in the float cavity area as well as the fuel ready to be fed through the jets as needed. The amout of fuel available in the cavity is regulated by the lever and its relationship to the float diaphragm. So it's critical that the lever be set properly.Within the cavity, there are distribution holes that are managed by the lowend and highend needles. Plus the idle circuit, which is a fixed size.

(Note)All Walbro carbs will run in any position, but they tune "best" as a sidedraft carb. The down draft position tends to run a little rich at idle, and the updraft tends to run a little lean at idle. No big deal though, it's easily tuned none the less.

This photo depicts one of Walbro's premier carbs, having a large bore and equipped with a highspeed check valve and external fuel pump pulse inlet.

Now let's talk about the pulse signal for the fuel pump.

Your ENGINE will determine which pulse inlet type you need! If the engine "carb base" has a hole drilled into the crankcase you will use the STANDARD pulse port and the optional (if you have it) port must be closed off. If there's no hole drilled, you will find a fitting located somewhere on your crankcase. Use a piece of fuel line to connect the crankcase fitting to the fitting on the optional pulse inlet. There's no need to block off the standard port, as it's already blocked off by the engine mounting.

The carb must get a pulse signal from the engine! This signal "pushes and pulls" on the pump diaphragm which feeds the carb fuel.

Now let's check out the "float needle & seat" setting.

This is the single most critical setting on a Walbro carb! Walbro offers a "setting gauge" to properly set the height of the lever for your particular carb. If you don't have one, the setting will be a trial & error adjustment and a real pain in the butt since you have to open up the carb to make the adjustment. For general purposes, the lever will be almost perfectly parallel to the carb base. This will get you close. If the lever is too high, your engine will tend to run a little erratic at idle. If the lever is too low, your idle will be OK but it will tend to run lean on midrange and highend. It may also run the float cavity "dry" at full throttle and die, regardless of your highspeed /lowspeed needle settings.

The needle valve seat is pressed into the carb base, and you should not remove this without having the correct tools and setting gauges. Do not remove it!

Typical PROBLEMS The engine stalls when accellerated: POSSIBLE solution:Highend needle way too lean, or lowend needle slightly lean
Engine goes rich in flight : Lowend needle too rich, float diaphragm needle lever slightly too high
Engine goes lean in flight : Highend needle slightly lean AND lowend needle is rich, float needle lever may be set too low
Engine runs good, but no idle at all : There's crap in the idle jets, the carb will have to be removed and cleaned. You may also have an air leak at the base of the carb. The throttle butterfly could be damaged or worn out
carb leaks fuel when not running : float needle is bad or has crap stuck in it, or the float lever setting may be too high, or the float diaphragm is bad.
My engine four cycles momentarily when I back off the throttle, then runs normal : This is perfectly normal for carbs NOT equipped with a "check valve" highspeed jet. If you do have the check valve, then your float needle setting is slightly too high, or your float needle is leaking a little
the fuel leaks back into the gas tank when it isn't running : Bad fuel pump membrane, or an air leak in the fuel line at the carb





NOTE 1:
A very common problem with cowled in engines is, the air pressure in flight changes the "natural" pressure on the float diaphragm. This causes the engine to run rich in flight. There are several possible fixes available. Most of the time you can simply tune your engine for flight by trial & error. However, the easiest fix is to open up the cowling around the carb area to lower the air pressure. You may also rotate the cover to different positions to see if that works. The "BEST" fix is to solder a piece of brass tubing where the vent is, and route the vent line to a better location. I normally route it into the fuse going through the firewall. It works perfectly every time! Plus, your ground tune doesn't change in flight!

NOTE 2
Carbs equipped with the highspeed check valve are greatly superior for flying aerobatics, or flying whereby the throttle will be used extensively. The check valve prevents jet dripping when you back off the throttle. That's all it does...
Straight through (non-check valved) jets always drip a little fuel while the throttle is being backed off, and causes a momentary four stroking of the engine until the jet stabilizes to the new air flow rate. This is completly normal.


I have the associated pictures in a Word document but it is too large to post here. Maybe Xipp will redo a thread like this for us.

Jim Blair
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Old 01-03-2006, 10:29 PM
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Re: Walbro carb Resetting

Jim, Would you mind upload the manual in Word Document here...or just upload in picture section if possible.
This is very useful for me and maybe another for newbie..
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Old 01-04-2006, 12:02 AM
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Re: Walbro carb Resetting

Thank you very much for the help this really sheds light unto the mysterious gasoline carb. Will try it later when i get the chance can't wait though. Will continue to post as soon as i try it out
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Old 01-04-2006, 12:03 AM
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I can't post the word document, it's too large and I am having trouble getting the pictures in decent resolution out of the document. I'll email it to anyone who needs it.

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Old 01-04-2006, 12:33 AM
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Re: Walbro carb Resetting

Try 1 1/2 turn out on LOW and 1 turn out on HIGH

That will be ball park.

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Old 01-04-2006, 02:46 AM
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Got the pictures
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Old 01-04-2006, 02:47 AM
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Re: Walbro carb Resetting

Again, all of this was compliments of Xipp from a post on the former FlyingCirkus.com on Gas Tuning for newbies. Luckily I copied the important stuff to a word document last week!
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Old 02-02-2006, 07:43 PM
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Re: Walbro carb Resetting

which walbro carb comes on the DA-50R's?? My engine serial number is 45XX.
Does this carb have the high speed check valve?
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:55 PM
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hiya jim. thanks for the insight of this carb.as im having trouble getting my thor45cc starting .had it running for 30 mins at 15 mins at a time. but now it wont run . it does fire up now and again but wont run continous. but when it did run it was ok.its a new engine from a shop. ive changed the spark plugs and fuel line plus fuel.but still cant get it to run .ive set the high n low needles back to setting 1 1/2 turns out .please can u help me .many thanks ,kenny
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Old 10-11-2011, 05:48 PM
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With both needles at 1 1/2 turns out, it should start and run (all other things being A-o.k. and your ignition switch is not in the off position, etc.) Given that, it sounds like you might need a carb kit.

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Old 10-11-2011, 07:18 PM
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What is the low speed needle for if there is no adjustment for idle fuel ???
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:20 PM
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Below is the full article and pics as a PDF document.

Another excellent information source is
http://www.prme.nl/forum/viewtopic.p...=asc&highlight=
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